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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: m7feettall on September 05, 2007, 01:13:13 PM
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The second-tier clan scene is starting to pick up. At InT we went several weeks playing 1-4 scrims a night. That is some good fun and practice!
Now we are facing more challenges, and many of the clans, I am excited to say, are getting better. Some that were not beating us before are now. Congrats to them! We can all learn together.
We need to take it to the next level. To do this noob clans need to get organized.
I realize that for the established clans irc is the way to do that. For noob clans...honestly it is confusing for some. Trying to give out irc info to those who are not already on the network, while in a pub, is frustrating.
Most noob clans use tools that they already have, aim, xfire, msn, etc. to coordinate their team and get scrim info.
So if you are in a new clan and want to find scrims :
A. PLEASE get on xfire preferrably, or at least aim, so that you can communicate. Xfire is useful for messaging while in-game.
B. Make sure your members all have the info for the other members so you can find them for a scrim. There is nothing more frustrating than asking someone if they have two's or three's for a scrim and having them say "I don't know....I never know who is on."
C. Post your xfire or aim here so that we can make a list of noob clans wanting scrims.
D. Do yourself a favor and get teamspeak or ventrillo for voice communication. Without it you are at a serious disadvantage.
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A. PLEASE get on xfire preferrably, or at least aim, so that you can communicate. Xfire is useful for messaging while in-game.
B. Make sure your members all have the info for the other members so you can find them for a scrim. There is nothing more frustrating than asking someone if they have two's or three's for a scrim and having them say "I don't know....I never know who is on."
C. Post your xfire or aim here so that we can make a list of noob clans wanting scrims.
D. Do yourself a favor and get teamspeak or ventrillo for voice communication. Without it you are at a serious disadvantage.
For A refer to D.
For B & C just get IRC and idle there.
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InT Contact info:
Xfire: (preferred)
InT - Rept = Sunblade
InT - m7feettall = m7feettall
InT - VeNoM2 = bobbyhill7
InT - iframedu2 = iframedu2
InT - Nopyo = Nopyo
Aim
InT - Game-over = hurlyman06
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For A refer to D.
For B & C just get IRC and idle there.
Incidentally, having not used the voice feature in xfire much, is it any good?
Does it use direct p2p or a server to do voice?
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InT Contact info:
Xfire: (preferred)
InT - Rept = Sunblade
InT - m7feettall = m7feettall
InT - VeNoM2 = bobbyhill7
InT - iframedu2 = iframedu2
InT - Nopyo = Nopyo
Aim
InT - Game-over = hurlyman06
I reiterate just get all your members on IRC.
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I reiterate just get all your members on IRC.
Thanks, but we can work with reality or dream utopian dreams.
Most noob clans don't use it. We use it occasionally, but only if we want to play those who frequent it, which tend to be the better clans.
Xfire actually works great for us when we have contact info, and I prefer it to irc.
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But irc has greater advantages. For one it gets the whole community together. It allows coordination and news to spread. Those other things are great for in clan organisation, but do mush less than irc when integrating with the community.
Come on now m7feettall, help out the newer community and come to irc. When people see its simply a chat program and not some scary monster it will be better for this community.
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I agree Lek, but to the "pub" player just getting into the clan scene, they probably have or are familiar with IM/VoIP programs and XFire would be easier. However as they become more involved in the clan scene, IRC will most likely be their choice.
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We hope, but m7feettall's attitude is similar to alot of guys i've spoken too in pubs. They don't seem to understand what irc is.
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well maybe we should fix the irc link on dp site it still connects to etg when were on gcc
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well maybe we should fix the irc link on dp site it still connects to etg when were on gcc
Not for discussion here, see the Feature vote thread.
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Still no good, people enter that and leave straight away, presumably by going to another page. That doesn't help in giving people some indication of what irc is.
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lekky let me explain to most of the pub players ive talked to they still think we are on etg when we arent sometimes i get ppl asking me u mean irc on the site im like no the program + not every one understands mirc and some ppl simply dont want to
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m7feettall is talking about a noob clan network, is it too much to ask, for us to reserve this thread to talk about it, rather than how to get newbs on IRC? IRC Integration is an excellent topic worth starting a new thread, but for now, reserve this for "noob clans" interested in the network.
-y00tz
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from what ive seen.. people that dont have irc tend to not visit the forums so they wont even know about this thread. is this thread for debate on an irc network or for a place for clans to leave a way for other clans to get a hold of them.
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Actually 85% of the people who idle in IRC dont usually come to the forums.
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"pub" player
Please don't make me explain how much I hate that term again.
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I say come up with a IRC program thats alot easier to use. Alot of people I know turned away from IRC cause of how difficult it is to use. I know how to use it ok. I still dont know alot of things concernin it.
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I say come up with a IRC program thats alot easier to use. Alot of people I know turned away from IRC cause of how difficult it is to use. I know how to use it ok. I still dont know alot of things concernin it.
:P
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xfire should integrate with IRC (and maybe Vent or TS). That would be the best gaming communication program ever.
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um idk if u kno this but u can join a vent or ts off of xfire.
irc aint hard to learn unless u dont bother to try to learn it
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We hope, but m7feettall's attitude is similar to alot of guys i've spoken too in pubs. They don't seem to understand what irc is.
I know what it is. We use it as I already said.
I even use it from my pocket pc.
We use the scrim and match tools as well.
But that doesn't help with the problem of most noobs not being on it. I can try to get them on it but they don't go. Eventually I stop wasting my time.
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If you really want irc integration then make a java applet that links to the forums and opens right to #paintball
But that would be another thread.
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um idk if u kno this but u can join a vent or ts off of xfire.
I know. I'm saying if there was an all-in-one program, it would be sweet.
I even use it from my pocket pc.
Same here. I use ZSirc, it's free. Here: http://umlaut.intro.hu/~gargaj/zsirc/
1/3 of my posts are made from my pda.
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For a all-in-one program youu could use somethin like Trillian, it has AIM, MSN, YAHOO, ICQ and IRC. And then you could just run vent or ts seperately.
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mIRC is not hard to use. They just dont want to use it because it is pointless for them. Why should they come to irc? They can have fun that way they already.
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Simple Guide to Connect to IRC (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=9170)
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I know. I'm saying if there was an all-in-one program, it would be sweet.
Same here. I use ZSirc, it's free. Here: http://umlaut.intro.hu/~gargaj/zsirc/
1/3 of my posts are made from my pda.
Yup, using the same one. It is bare bones, and requires the full command to be typed out, but works.
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Simple Guide to Connect to IRC (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=9170)
I understand you need to promote what you have time invested in...but that is not the topic of this thread.
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I think it is a perfectly fine post to make with regards to the direction of this thread. Don't get female dogy with me m7feettall, I didn't mean any offence.
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http://definedp.org/irc/
:D
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lol
http://qehs.indiereview.co.uk/webspell/index.php?site=irc
:P
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I think it is a perfectly fine post to make with regards to the direction of this thread. Don't get boogery with me m7feettall, I didn't mean any offence.
No problem. I am willing to work with you, but we have to make it completely idiot-proof.
First we need to clear up the link at the top of the page. Since it appears to point to enter the game it is dated. But more than that if folks don't already know what IRC is they won't ever click on something that says IRC.
We need the link changed to "DP Chat"
And we need the simplest url imaginable to get to that page so that we can spam it in pubs for clans to get into.
dplogin.com/chat would be ideal.
We cannot expect folks to pick up a client they know nothing about or to type some huge url that doesn't look official.
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And we need the simplest url imaginable to get to that page so that we can spam it in pubs for clans to get into.
/me gets his gun and takes aim at m7feettall for that comment
:)
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intclan.c0m? dptraining.c0m? (trying to avoid domain trawler bots here)
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/me gets his gun and takes aim at m7feettall for that comment
:)
a necessary evil unless you know of other ways to get them.
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m7 why should it be renamed to dp chat
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http://definedp.org/irc/
:D
I never knew you had anymore to the site I could never get past the beginning.
@Kaos First we need to clear up the link at the top of the page. Since it appears to point to enter the game it is dated. But more than that if folks don't already know what IRC is they won't ever click on something that says IRC.
We need the link changed to "DP Chat"
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For a all-in-one program youu could use somethin like Trillian, it has AIM, MSN, YAHOO, ICQ and IRC. And then you could just run vent or ts seperately.
my exact setup. :)
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I posted this in the IRC Guide thread and now I am putting it here to for those of you who need it.
mIRC 6.2 (http://www.savefile.com/files/1008598)
mIRC 6.3 (http://www.savefile.com/files/1034804)
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m7 why should it be renamed to dp chat
Because that is more generic and might catch the eye of people who don't know what irc is.
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Maybe the first start would be changing the ingame irc message from etg to ggc..
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Incidentally, having not used the voice feature in xfire much, is it any good?
Does it use direct p2p or a server to do voice?
You can do both, I have seen multi user rooms on xfire user created that include voice preety simply setup. As to the efficency I cannot say for sure. But It can provide a free alternative to a voice server.
Also alot of people are taking this debate into irc out of the origional point which is not enough people use it that are new and starting clans. Rather the information isnt avaliable (it appears to be) or the players dont understand what irc is and just avoid it.
I do agree the java applet fixes would help, but ill save that for the feature thread.
A proposed contact list for methods outside of irc would be nice for those who are unable to setup irc for whatever reasons. But doing so this link might aswell be just bumped for xfire names. http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7596.0
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The problem with the xfire name list is that it does not include clan info in most cases.
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does it help show a win/loss record? Can you send out a scrim request?
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Yeah i agree the xfire list lacks some clan affiliations.
does it help show a win/loss record? Can you send out a scrim request?
Find a way to keep an easily verified win/loss record , right now its pretty much irrelevant as general observation and experience is worth more.
Also , like its so hard to click a name and say "interested in a 2v2 ?" Scrim request hits broad range but essentially both are so similar in terms of work , that its not even really an issue. Of course assuming your not to lazy to type for more than 12 seconds.
I mean don't get me wrong I'm for getting everyone on Irc to keep it uniform , but it was worth mentioning an alternative since we have seen how effective everyones been at getting irc.
ps: If this came off rude I mean nothing by it and it was not intentional.
-Rept
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But wouldn't i need to know everyone to request a scrim from them? In irc i can request a scrim from my own channel without even knowing the other channels exist.
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D. Do yourself a favor and get teamspeak or ventrillo for voice communication. Without it you are at a serious disadvantage.
this is something i've wondered about. outside of xfire, how would you do voice chats when, say, your clan has very limited resources and can't get their own ts/vent server (or maybe they could but it wouldn't be worth it)??
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Ask lekky or matze for a channel in qehs or ch1ll TS server.
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Ask lekky or matze for a channel in qehs or ch1ll TS server.
what a coincidence.
i was just talking to lekky ~30 mins ago and he offered. so thanks anyway. :P
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this is something i've wondered about. outside of xfire, how would you do voice chats when, say, your clan has very limited resources and can't get their own ts/vent server (or maybe they could but it wouldn't be worth it)??
Jits and GT both have some space on theirs that they allow folks to use at times as well.
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But wouldn't i need to know everyone to request a scrim from them? In irc i can request a scrim from my own channel without even knowing the other channels exist.
You certainly can. But if your clan is a noob or intermediate clan you won't find many similar clans on irc. I am hoping that changes. But the main method right now is aim msn and going into a pub looking.
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that's unfortunate. i mean, i'm a relative noob, and ... honestly, how hard can it be to look up how to do things? in my short time with this game, i've learned quite a lot about what goes on outside of the actual gameplay.
the forums are a great resource, as well as members' sites and other community contributions.
and as far as setting up a clan irc channel ... all it takes is a little curiosity.
in my instance, i knew that for irc, we connect to "irc.globalgamerscenter.net" ... so, i thought "I wonder if there's a website at globalgamerscenter.net" and sure enough, everything i might need to know about doing the irc thing is there. (did i have prior IRC experience before coming to DP? no, not really. or did i have experience with other sorts of online FPS games and organizations? no, not that either.)
i guess what i'm saying is this: if you don't know much about all that non-gameplay stuff or how to do it, you probably have no business starting a clan.
make any sense?
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Yes and no. You are approaching it from what you want their clan to be. They are finding scrims and having fun WITHOUT IRC. If we want them in IRC we have to make it easy and worth their time.
I think Jit's redoing the link and the java version is a big step in that direction.
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yes, that's all very true. it helps to see a different perspective sometimes.