Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => Mapping => Topic started by: HELLFIRE on October 14, 2006, 05:04:52 PM
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I think there should be a new Shazz map just because i pawn at it and i
wanna get better at a new map. ;D
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actually 6
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all more reason NOT to have another one.
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Shazam/Shazam22 are fine.
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Shazam/Shazam22 are fine.
I note how eiii DID NOT mention shazam33, so true eiii
shazamr is ok, though.
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i think dt should get the .map for shaz22 and remake it into a pbcup_shazam22.
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what ever DT does will be cool, hopefully it is pub friendly. pbcup_shazam22 ftw
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Shazam with TONS OF TERRAIN.
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Shazam with TONS OF TERRAIN.
.. and sand.
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I'm game for it.. shaz maps rock.
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too bad sinisterminister doesnt have the .maps anymore
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/me shudders at the thought
Jakesmistake.
You can do it!
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jakesmistake was me not wanting jake to release another terrible blitz remake.
We all know why you did it. I was hoping you still cared to help in a similar way.
I only ask because you seem to really care about not having another shaz map done, even to the extent of this......
http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=3641.msg41642#msg41642
http://www.dt.arena-zone.com/Misc/pathetic.JPG
Ciao Bella.
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shazam22 is the best followed by 33
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finally some who thinks my thoughts
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I wish we could continue the shaz series
Don't want to help? Thats ok I understand and I see lately dp is chafing you. Sorry to bother. I have confidence in your ability to put things aside and go create something we both know everyone will benefit from.
Or...
Just go do what you are more comfortable with lately, pubbin and forum buggin.
"Sir step away from the computer and show your on-line license to ill on and software registrations." :o
But seriously,
Thanks for all the hard work and kick ass maps no one wants to play. Very sad that I try to promote those maps when appropriate. I say this in a respectful and sincere manor despite any negativisms. :)
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don't know if any sazz maps exist....
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Shazam maps are really fun to play on, they don't look that nice, but the gameplay is intense. The main reason that I don't want a new one is because I don't like the idea of remaking a map over and over again, some people are addicted to the shazam maps so they are constantly voted for on the pubs, which gets annoying to some people who are tired of the same maps over and over again. I'd like to see Dirty_Taco and all of the other map makers making all new maps, as different as possible from what we already have.
Some with the same great aspects of the shazam series: high open rooms with different levels, huge jumps, places to grab some major speed, areas easy to describe in recon, flags sunken into the deep back of the bases.
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The only reasonable shazam map is shaz22, and that is not good for anything more then a 3v3, 4v4 is pushing it. Nobody should make another shazam map. We saw the eyesore that was shazam33.
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*High five Lunatic*
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Eyesore? I don't get it what does aesthetics have to do with a shooting a paintball gun at someone? This is a multi-player fps first. You could paint all the textures with bananas for all i care. Oh....yeah. :) Poor aesthetics are still playable and do not hinder the ball flight from point a to point b.
If you are talking about multiple entrances (good layout) and a anti-indune base. Shaz33 has that as Tinman pointed out.
So if its not the textures or the layout then, what is left to complain about? Your personal opinion? You seem to be out voted on that one.
I also understand that you feel and others rightfully feel that maps are designed with a certain number of players in mind. If you have suggestions on how to control player maximums. Feel free. I don't condone it. It's a fact of life. One that you can not change. Only improve upon.
This is not debatable. It is a fact. Having an opinion on why you don't like it is fine and healthy for improving the game. What I don't see are suggestions for improvement, except Tinman's.
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Loial: Eyesore was not the word I was looking for at all, because the look of it isn't my problem at all. I did just mean the map in general. The reason I don't like shazam33 and the other shazams is because, sure there are more then one way in to the base, but they are all coming from the same side (I know shaz22 is like that too, but I just like that map a lot ;)). A map like crimethink for example, has 3 ways to the flag, the left, the right and from the middle tower thing. Shazam33 has 4 entrances to the base, however they are all coming from 1 of the 4 sides of the base, just the left, middle and right of the same "wall" of the base.
And the look of the map does have to do with gameplay, in my opinion. When the maps are all banana textures on April Fools, it is harder to see people so it makes the gameplay more difficult. Although it is equal throughout the community (unless you use modded player models) :p.
That's about it, hopefully you know what I mean when I was talking about the shazam thing, if not I'll try and clarify.
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lol. Has anyone ever played shaz22 with luna. All he does is camp at his base looking low.He doesn't even use 2/3 of the map. Why he likes it so much i don't know. DT definitely does not need to remake shazam. We need to delete all shazams (except shazamr) from the servers. If I had a server, the only map makers i'd put on there would be Goldbond, Calrathan, Darkphyre, Dying Jackal, and S8N. Everyone else sucks at level design for a paintball game.
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Um, I don't know what you're talking about considering I rush low 90% of the time in shaz22. Only time I camp is 1v3 and maybe 1v2. But whatever you want to believe is fine with me, sir.
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Aesthetics have a lot to do with a map. Sure, some people would be content running around shooting at colored boxes in a textureless environment, but most of us want the game to be at least somewhat immersive. Good looking maps also help build the player base. People won't really take a game seriously if the maps look like they were pulled out of a trash bin 10 years ago.
Shazamr does look a little better than shazam, but it's still the same layout. I think what we need to do instead of having like 20 different versions of the same map is have one map that we continue to improve upon and polish. Paintball2 now has the provision to handle different maps with the same filename, so it shouldn't be a big issue if a server has the wrong version like it used to be.
On that topic, rez, can you fix the lighting on shazam33 or let me do it? It really bugs me. The sun light is at the wrong angle (shining from underneath), so 90+% of the map is just uniformly lit. Keep the same filename, though.
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Nah rez, dt makes good maps. Summer.bsp and pbcup_renoir are two of my fav maps.
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i think what people really dont like about shazam33 is the whole "rush really fast and fly through the air into the other base" thing. I've noticed popluar maps these days have lots of high flying ramp action that can propel you into the other teams base within seconds of the round starting. Yes, some people may like that, but for those of us who prefer gameplay rather than just the spray and pray technique of most pubbers, shazam33 is definatly not a good map. I would probubly like it a lot more if there was some more stuff in the middle low, like crates and what not and if that huge jump was blocked off. This would allow multiple (4) entrances to the base and provide a better more tactical gameplay.
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Amen.
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think of it a map called shazzam44
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lol. Has anyone ever played shaz22 with luna. All he does is camp at his base looking low.He doesn't even use 2/3 of the map. Why he likes it so much i don't know. DT definitely does not need to remake shazam. We need to delete all shazams (except shazamr) from the servers. If I had a server, the only map makers i'd put on there would be Goldbond, Calrathan, Darkphyre, Dying Jackal, and S8N. Everyone else sucks at level design for a paintball game.
ironic, because you're SUCH A PRO MAPPER.
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lol i haven't even seen a map made by him :D
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He made shazam33. Smokey and rez: let's keep the personal attacks out of this thread (and the forum in general).
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I'm not doing personal attacks >:(
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He made shazam33. Smokey and rez: let's keep the personal attacks out of this thread (and the forum in general).
He didn't mention you.
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pub maps and match maps need to have very different qualities. a map which requires teamwork and tactics to win on would make for a pretty poor pub map, yet a brilliant match map.
pub maps are based upon fast and furious action, the aim is to grab and kill, but mostly kill.
I'd like to see more mature maps make their way to pub servers, and this is starting to happen, however its no fun sat in a server all by yourself in pbcup_sassualt because everyone else left the server.
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Perhaps a way to increase interest in the more complex maps is to build up a strong second-tier clan community.
I don't know much about the clan community here. I have not looked into one at all yet, simply because I doubt the established clans would be interested. But my take as with a lot of games is that you have to be pretty skilled to get into a decently run clan.
A Jr. Clan structure where the stronger clans organize a minor league for lack of a better analogy could build up more interest. It could involve newer players in clans that are still run well, and can make a larger recruitment base for the clan scene.
The forums here could also make a team structure where teams of 5 compete in a ladder, etc.
Anyway, some thoughts. As it is putting the "better" maps on servers doesn't solve the problem. As mentioned above people just go find the server that has the map they want.
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Actually Smokey, Uni made shazam33. But then again, not everyone can be such a good mapper as you.
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(http://upload.arena-zone.com/images/964914paintball2 2006-10-18 18-15-49-68.jpg)
i do remember uni flipping out when people said he made it.
good try dark.
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As it is putting the "better" maps on servers doesn't solve the problem. As mentioned above people just go find the server that has the map they want.
Very insightful analogy. Nice to meet you. It seems you have a perspective that is untainted by elitism and welcomed by me. Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my remarks below. There will be many to choose from. :)
Jits,
Here we are again. I understand your logic and to 100% completely agree with it but at the same time can't.
Here is why.
Some players like pinto beans fully cooked and served with white bread.
Some players like heavily seasoned pan fried veal chops in a Gorgonzola / Chardonnay / roasted garlic and minced chalets / tomatoes sauce topped with prosciutto di parma & white truffles and lastly covered with smoked provolone. Then slow cooked for 25 minutes at no more than 200 degrees then tossed over bow-tie pasta with fresh basil, peeled and diced tomatoes then sprinkle with lemon. Then chilled overnight. Then re-heat for 25 min in broiler or until cheese is slightly browned and sauce is bubbling. Or to put into context 'a perfect map' by your standards.
We all agree with out debate on which meal is more savory, complex and immerses the eater. Oh did I forget you don't like meat?
Actually I did (sorry), but now that I think about it, this further perpetuates and help accentuates my point.
So I guess it will be the the beans ehh?
As it is putting the "better" maps on servers doesn't solve the problem. As mentioned above people just go find the server that has the map they want.
Like a meal with out meat.
God dammit I digressed.
Good night.
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Hahaha I'm hungry? Eatible maps?? Hmmmmm heh
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Nah rez, dt makes good maps. Summer.bsp and pbcup_renoir are two of my fav maps.
I never said dt was a bad mapper. I personally don't enjoy playing his maps for paintball. He needs to be mapping for counterstrike. A real remake job for dt would be to remake 2fort5 as seen in team fortress
I'd like to see more mature maps make their way to pub servers, and this is starting to happen, however its no fun sat in a server all by yourself in pbcup_sassualt because everyone else left the server.
Jitspoe, you can do anything you want with my map. I just copied and pasted DJ's lighting from mirrorr.
Smokey, when did I call myself a pro mapper? I didn't include myself in that list.
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another post by loial i will never understand.
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As it is putting the "better" maps on servers doesn't solve the problem. As mentioned above people just go find the server that has the map they want.
Very insightful analogy. Nice to meet you. It seems you have a perspective that is untainted by elitism and welcomed by me. Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my remarks below. There will be many to choose from. :)
Jots,
Here we are again. I understand your logic and to 100% completely agree with it but at the same time can't.
Here is why.
Some players like pinto beans fully cooked and served with white bread.
Some players like heavily seasoned pan fried veal chops in a Gorgonzola / Chardonnay / roasted garlic and minced chalets / tomatoes sauce topped with prosciutto DI par ma & white truffles and lastly covered with smoked provolone. Then slow cooked for 25 minutes at no more than 200 degrees then tossed over bow-tie pasta with fresh basil, peeled and diced tomatoes then sprinkle with lemon. Then chilled overnight. Then re-heat for 25 min in broiler or until cheese is slightly browned and sauce is bubbling. Or to put into context 'a perfect map' by your standards.
We all agree with out debate on which meal is more savory, complex and immerses the eater. Oh did I forget you don't like meat?
Actually I did (sorry), but now that I think about it, this further perpetuates and help accentuates my point.
So I guess it will be the the beans eh?
As it is putting the "better" maps on servers doesn't solve the problem. As mentioned above people just go find the server that has the map they want.
Like a meal with out meat.
God dammit I digressed.
Good night.
Vegetarian here myself :)
I like just about all the maps I have played. And it frustrates me when people leave a map that looks fun. But the truth is that people like what they like. You can deal with it or pretend otherwise, but they will vote with their actions.
Perhaps what we need is three servers with decent international ping dedicated to particular maps. One could play propaint all the time, one could play the Shaz maps in rotation, and one could play airtime or similar maps.
Or just a server or two that only play Shaz, airtime and propaint would work about the same.
Then the others can be set to include the best match maps. Whatever folks want, they can get, without the wait or griping. And if no one wants the match maps, then perhaps they can be left primarily to clan action.
As to my earlier suggestion, I don't quite understand how the pro-paint ladder works (it appears to be a clan ladder). But it seems to be stalling due to lack of clans, and disparity among the existing ones.
A ladder that had teams of 3 competing on match maps might be a good way to get lots of folks involved.
You could do what they do in municipal sports leagues and have a pro league and a recreation league. If you feel you are not up to the pro league you still get exposure to the fun and the maps by playing in the rec league. And since the teams are small you could have more of them, and not be limited to only a few clans that will participate.
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another post by loial i will never understand.
I think his point was that good maps, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.
Some want fast action, big jumps and gun-blazing rushes. Others want strategy, team play etc.
A good map is not a good map to all. So if you insist on offering gourmet to the fast food crowd you will go out of business.
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wtf do u mean fast food guests ???
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People have different tastes. That is what it means.
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I'm more concerned with the visuals, myself. Shazam and shazamr, for example, are both the same map. They just look different. So why do we have two map files? I think it would be better to fix the existing maps and keep the same filename so we don't have a bunch of junk cluttering the map directories. If you've ever downloaded CS maps, you know just how bad it can get, "mapname", "mapname_final", "mapname_v2", "mapname_final_v2", "mapname_v2_final", "mapname2", etc. All the same map, but you have no clue which is the right version to use.
As for fast food vs. gourmet, most people that eat fast food eat it because it's cheap and convenient, not because they prefer the taste of it. Since people don't have to pay for maps, I don't see any reason why there would be an objection to making them look nicer.
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I thought the issue was gameplay?
I don't mind a good looking map.
But the established players are not leaving the server over aesthetics. They are leaving because they don't like the match maps. (It is true that some new players to the game will be turned off by ugly maps).
And since loial21 mentioned elitism, I think part could be that some people don't like match maps because they will have to learn something new and might get whooped for a few rounds. And that doesn't look good. Or they don't get to use the jumps they practiced as much etc. There are tons of camping spots on some of the match maps I have seen, so new players can bring down the big boys easier :)
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.. i got what he meant after reading like the first couple of lines. but I'm saying loial has a weird way of saying what he really means. and its usually a super long post.
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Its ok Cola I my self don't like super long weird things. ::)
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I agree having tons of map files for the same map is a bad idea. I haven't found too much of that so far--though I have encountered a lot of docks variants for some reason.
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I agree having tons of map files for the same map is a bad idea. I haven't found too much of that so far--though I have encountered a lot of docks variants for some reason.
sadly, rofl.
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I have to be truthfull, maps such as Shazam and PP1 are what got me into this game, as you play longer you start to like the more strategic maps.
Basically just give the people some time, sooner or later the people are going to join a clan and start to appreciate the better maps.
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Ij still uses airtimefor their match map... tR uses rome, pp2, or antioch for theirs. I find that very sad.
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bah, I dont want to hear it. QBalls used midnight and every clan but er33t boogered. Its all a matter of familiarity with maps and playing styles, so certain clans pick some maps over others.. I could go into detail, but there are enough flames on this forum, so I'll leave it up to someone else.
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I can do it! With fewer flames than most other name brand flamers. In fact 50% percent less. Guaranteed.
:o
Ahem,
Lets first assume the battlefield or map is done correctly regarding nothing effecting game physics, player and or sever-side exists. I formed this opinion along time ago growing up play competitive sports and academics.
When confronted in a winning or losing scenario, which we play in. From debaters to lacrosse players not one complaint about the conditions of the scenario. Not one person went to a committee or ref and ask to have the freaking map changed because it was a freaking newb debate or a newb big 12 basketball team. You freaking went out and FREAKING TRIED TO WIN!! Or not lose. In my case :(
Most of all we enjoy what we were doing, because this is Freaking America Buddie!!! We got choices here, dammit!!! Two of them infact.
" Indians, Deal or no Deal." >:( Awe wtf thats messed up.
I thought he was going to say love it or leave it. Loial you suck!!!
God I hate what America did before civil liberties and hate what it is becoming, a bunch or whiny lazy 18-24 younglings who's main goal is, toss each other privates online the longest rather than learning how to toss a ball more than 20 yards.
You see my generation is perfect I .....am digressing again, perfect.
I am out.
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this topic is done, nobody wants a new shazam.
stop posting here.
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I wouldn't mind a new one.
But the topic has expanded to more than just a shaz map, to what makes a shaz map popular or unpopular.
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this topic is done, nobody wants a new shazam.
stop posting here.
=Moo.
Smokey say what? Wow duder that last sentence could not have been formed by you. So this concerns me, sightly. So get ready to Loooiiial!
1. Let me get this strait. You want everyone who posts from now on in this thread to take advise from...in your own words for 2% or 16 out of 1067.. forum members who are nobodies(?) and that these people of no significance value should dictate what I feel is right?
Smokey watch how this coralates to what you are suggesting and my first of two points. Its neeto.
'Wait, what are you talking about, we decided!? My best
interest?! How do you know what MY best interest is? How can you say what MY best interest is? What are you trying to say, I'M crazy? When I went to YOUR schools, when I went to YOUR churches, when I went to YOUR institutional learning facilities?! How can you say I'm crazy?
A great song for the impressionable mind. 'Institutionalized' -Suicidal Tendencies.
2. As you can see bro I did not post, there, you did? See for yourself. (highlighted in red)
"NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"
M7feettall,
How do you liked to be addressed by others?
M7 ?
M7'^ ?
M7feettall?
Jk bub.
But the question was intended to be respctfull and sincere. So if you don't mind answering it, I would be honored.
Oh dear! How rude! Forgive my manors, its polite to introduce one's self first.
Please allow me to introduce my self I am a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long long year stole many a mans soul and faith. Pleased to meet you!!! Hope you guessed my name!!!
My name is Craig. You can address me as that or Loial. I also respond to killer, orgasmictron, winner, heavy lifter and One Phat Bastard. Sometimes I am also known as worlds smartest, accurate, skillfull fps gamer ever.
By my enemies I am known simply as 'Oooh-nooo-Loial-gaahh!!' or spelled correctly 'Ohnoloialgah'. I Never hear much after that for some reason? ;)
All kidding aside,
Seriously just address me with respect which I will give to you until you lose it. I could care less about names and I am pretty fair minded. Some would also argue empty minded.
I would like to talk or chat with you about your opinion on the game and gaming in general. You seem non-jaded by leetism and very open minded. Wish I had 16 of you to replace the 2% 'nobodies' of this forum.
Well not really replace, the community still needs a 'Yin' to its 'Yang'. Wow that worked out nicely! Hopefully someone understands that at least. :)
Do you have TS, Ventrillo, MIM or YIM? Aside from the before mentioned reasons. You seem very motivated to help and improve the community. Guess what? I have not seen that happen in a while. Let me know how I can help .
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tl;dr
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Smokey: Are you saying 2% of the community should dictate what is in everybody's best interest?
M7feettall: How do you prefer to be addressed, and how do I get in touch with you outside of the forums?
I think that covered everything. See how simple and to the point that was? Try to make your posts like that in the future, loial.
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Smokey: Are you saying 2% of the community should dictate what is in everybody's best interest?
M7feettall: How do you prefer to be addressed, and how do I get in touch with you outside of the forums?
Amen.
I think that covered everything. See how simple and to the point that was? Try to make your posts like that in the future, loial.
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this topic is done, nobody wants a new shazam.
stop posting here.
=Moo.
Smokey say what? Wow duder that last sentence could not have been formed by you. So this concerns me, sightly. So get ready to Loooiiial!
1. Let me get this strait. You want everyone who posts from now on in this thread to take advise from...in your own words for 2% or 16 out of 1067.. forum members who are nobodies(?) and that these people of no significance value should dictate what I feel is right?
Smokey watch how this coralates to what you are suggesting and my first of two points. Its neeto.
'Wait, what are you talking about, we decided!? My best
interest?! How do you know what MY best interest is? How can you say what MY best interest is? What are you trying to say, I'M crazy? When I went to YOUR schools, when I went to YOUR churches, when I went to YOUR institutional learning facilities?! How can you say I'm crazy?
A great song for the impressionable mind. 'Institutionalized' -Suicidal Tendencies.
2. As you can see bro I did not post, there, you did? See for yourself. (highlighted in red)
"NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"
M7feettall,
How do you liked to be addressed by others?
M7 ?
M7'^ ?
M7feettall?
Jk bub.
But the question was intended to be respctfull and sincere. So if you don't mind answering it, I would be honored.
Oh dear! How rude! Forgive my manors, its polite to introduce one's self first.
Please allow me to introduce my self I am a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long long year stole many a mans soul and faith. Pleased to meet you!!! Hope you guessed my name!!!
My name is Craig. You can address me as that or Loial. I also respond to killer, orgasmictron, winner, heavy lifter and One Phat Bastard. Sometimes I am also known as worlds smartest, accurate, skillfull fps gamer ever.
By my enemies I am known simply as 'Oooh-nooo-Loial-gaahh!!' or spelled correctly 'Ohnoloialgah'. I Never hear much after that for some reason? ;)
All kidding aside,
Seriously just address me with respect which I will give to you until you lose it. I could care less about names and I am pretty fair minded. Some would also argue empty minded.
I would like to talk or chat with you about your opinion on the game and gaming in general. You seem non-jaded by leetism and very open minded. Wish I had 16 of you to replace the 2% 'nobodies' of this forum.
Well not really replace, the community still needs a 'Yin' to its 'Yang'. Wow that worked out nicely! Hopefully someone understands that at least. :)
Do you have TS, Ventrillo, MIM or YIM? Aside from the before mentioned reasons. You seem very motivated to help and improve the community. Guess what? I have not seen that happen in a while. Let me know how I can help .
LOL AT HOW LONG YOUR POST IS.
im not going to read all of that, i dont need the confusion.
any yes loial, i am. If the 2% didn't, dictate, people like YOU would..
if loial were president, radio and tv addresses would be 8 hours long..
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Loial, the Enter key isn't lonely, you don't have to touch it so much.
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[quote author=loial21
"NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"
M7feettall,
How do you liked to be addressed by others?
M7 ?
M7'^ ?
M7feettall?
[/quote]
I am not picky. M7 works fine.
Jk bub.
But the question was intended to be respctfull and sincere. So if you don't mind answering it, I would be honored.
Oh dear! How rude! Forgive my manors, its polite to introduce one's self first.
Please allow me to introduce my self I am a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long long year stole many a mans soul and faith. Pleased to meet you!!! Hope you guessed my name!!!
My name is Craig. You can address me as that or Loial. I also respond to killer, orgasmictron, winner, heavy lifter and One Phat Bastard. Sometimes I am also known as worlds smartest, accurate, skillfull fps gamer ever.
By my enemies I am known simply as 'Oooh-nooo-Loial-gaahh!!' or spelled correctly 'Ohnoloialgah'. I Never hear much after that for some reason? ;)
All kidding aside,
Seriously just address me with respect which I will give to you until you lose it. I could care less about names and I am pretty fair minded. Some would also argue empty minded.
I would like to talk or chat with you about your opinion on the game and gaming in general. You seem non-jaded by leetism and very open minded. Wish I had 16 of you to replace the 2% 'nobodies' of this forum.
Well not really replace, the community still needs a 'Yin' to its 'Yang'. Wow that worked out nicely! Hopefully someone understands that at least. :)
Do you have TS, Ventrillo, MIM or YIM? Aside from the before mentioned reasons. You seem very motivated to help and improve the community. Guess what? I have not seen that happen in a while. Let me know how I can help .
I have msn and yim somewhere around here. I think I got rid of ventrillo.
pm me if you want to talk on one of those.
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Loial, the Enter key isn't lonely, you don't have to touch it so much.
Sweet :)
Ok m7 ty
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some people want a new shazzam map so someone needs to make one
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noone needs to make excrement.
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noone needs to make excrement.
Agreed so every just stop playing DP and stop making new maps and call ever one else excrement. Your complaints are meddling POINTLESS!!! ::)
God dam what the hell is the problem with a new map? Jesus H Christ you act like its going to cause you physical harm or that your pocket book you be affected? Bunch of meddling whiners.
This was a request to make a new map, not to excrement on every who wants one.
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I WIL MAK A REMAK 2 SHAZUM OK??????
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hah good luck
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all of the shazam maps suck. i can only tolerate shaz22. that's my opinion of course
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I think DirtyTaco should do a pbcup_shazam^^ it would be nice i gues (thanks to all the great maps, DirtyTaco).
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shazam maps are horrible!! There are only 3 spots you have to line and you will basically win. It needs to be taken off pubs servers because everytime i look at the server list its shazam33.
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Why dont' we just distribute a pgp only version via .ent?
That would solve the lining problem and still give us a well liked map.
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Q MOE Wouldnt it be great if theý dont play airtime, shazam33 and jump all the time?^^
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Q MOE Wouldnt it be great if theý dont play airtime, shazam33 and jump all the time?^^
If a clan were so inclined they could fix that problem. They could just run a server that would play those (and propaint1) all the time.
Then whoever is left could play match maps on the other servers.
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I WIL MAK A REMAK 2 SHAZUM OK??????
How quaint. Umm yeah 1999 and AOL have called they want their fun back. So old its sad. Get a clue its 2006 err 7.
HELLFIRE: Please slowly back away from the DP forums. Thank you.
Stop avoiding it. I guess you are scared you cant do any better than UNI? That I thought impossible until now. Either you make it or someone else will make it worse. Either way stop being such a pansy the choice is yours. Whatever chikenator proof is you lack of trying and mocking. You have the means do something about it, instead of acting like your still in jr high. GG eastwood.
all of the shazam maps suck. i can only tolerate shaz22. that's my opinion of course
Good for you what about a Shazam that would low away 22 or 33 or whatever? Would you then object? If you liked it, I doubt you would. Try answering with that in mind.
shazam maps are horrible!! There are only 3 spots you have to line and you will basically win. It needs to be taken off pubs servers because everytime i look at the server list its shazam33.
Seriously think about it. Every map has at least 2 or 3 of those points. Would you like a demonstration? If not its called tactics, look it up before you blurt out "meh the spray!! meh!!" Consider this. You are welcomed to avoid the spray. ITS THAT DAM EASY! ...NEXT!!
I personally feel if you cant play and enjoy the game despite map you have played to long and instead of adding something that takes thought, they are sucking the fun out of the mod like bloated leeches that wont let go of something good.
Besides if you don't like the map just simply shut the intercourse up and don't play it. No need to act like you are being violated and cry like a meddling baby about it. Or that what even more funny, some how you are better than the map. WHAT THE intercourse HAHA! Better than a map. IS that how you define your existence? LOL ok champs!
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HELLFIRE: Please slowly back away from the DP forums. Thank you.
Stop avoiding it. I guess you are scared you cant do any better than UNI? That I thought impossible until now. Either you make it or someone else will make it worse. Either way stop being such a pansy the choice is yours. Whatever chikenator proof is you lack of trying and mocking. You have the means do something about it, instead of acting like your still in jr high. GG eastwood.
...This logic makes no sense. So, what you're saying is that he is ONLY not making another shazam map because he is afraid that Uni's will be better than his?
Also, you're saying that the only way to prevent other people making crappy remakes is to remake it yourself. Yeah, I'm tired of people making crappy 'speedball' maps, so I'll just remake blitz and they'll all stop.
I'm trying to figure out what the intercourse you're thinking here.
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So, what you're saying is that he is ONLY not making another shazam map because he is afraid that Uni's will be better than his?
Not at all. Saying he is afraid, which clearly he is not (how could he be?) was my attempt at a well intended taunt. Nothing personal or factual about that. Matter of fact I owe him an apology. That is not my way.
Also, you're saying that the only way to prevent other people making crappy remakes is to remake it yourself.
By George I think you are getting the gist of it. Yes one way to prevent the next Shaz from being crap would be to have an excellent map maker create it. That is about as logical as I can summate. ;)
I'm trying to figure out what the intercourse you're thinking here.
You are? With that in mind....
"...I've wanted more than anything to have your respect. The first time I didn't feel it, but this time I feel it, and I can't deny the fact that you like me care, right now, you like me care!" :-*
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Also, you're saying that the only way to prevent other people making crappy remakes is to remake it yourself.
By George I think you are getting the gist of it. Yes one way to prevent the next Shaz from being crap would be to have an excellent map maker create it. That is about as logical as I can summate. ;)
So then the mappers will say, 'Wow, that map is good. We shouldn't make any more clones of it.'
Right?
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Clone? Look some of the examples below, hardly clones.
Well it seems as though the trend has now turned from sandtrap,Arctic,in-dune (from 2002-03) to airtime and airtime duex, shaz33, pp1 (at present).
Notice the growth from 1 level 1/ path maps to multilevel trick jumping maps? I have, its hard to miss the migration of tastes lately.
Sadly classics like Midnight 1&2, Palmtree Series even Antioch 1,2 and 3 never get the time nor attention they deserve.
Thus we have maps with quick action and less thinking, being used as Public requests and match maps. I am personally ok with any type of map. Some people have issues, i can respect that. But to discount something that has not even been made is not a very informed opinion.
All I am asking is to make one that is balanced for all tastes without overcomplicating, try to make it familiar looking and tag it with shaz.
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Clone? Look some of the examples below, hardly clones.
Well it seems as though the trend has now turned from sandtrap,Arctic,in-dune (from 2002-03) to airtime and airtime duex, shaz33, pp1 (at present).
Notice the growth from 1 level 1/ path maps to multilevel trick jumping maps? I have, its hard to miss the migration of tastes lately.
Sadly classics like Midnight 1&2, Palmtree Series even Antioch 1,2 and 3 never get the time nor attention they deserve.
Thus we have maps with quick action and less thinking, being used as Public requests and match maps. I am personally ok with any type of map. Some people have issues, i can respect that. But to discount something that has not even been made is not a very informed opinion.
All I am asking is to make one that is balanced for all tastes without overcomplicating, try to make it familiar looking and tag it with shaz.
I don't know the history, but certainly maps with multiple paths and some tricks to them are more fun than one path maps.
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I would not disagree with that logic.
Fun is dictated with amount of players playing, are there enough to support or to much (I personally believe 8v8 should be max for any map). It also depends on the flavor you are craving, do you want sprayfest orange mixed with wildberry camp or rushing red with trickjump tropical?
To bad other players don't have the attention span of more than 12 seconds. That is why shaz maps are so successful.
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The most fun I ever had in a first person shooter was playing against my brother when neither of us knew camping was a bad thing. We would find all kinds of ways to get the drop on each other .
Sometimes we complicate by set rules.
In any case I like the large maps. But I like Shaz33 too. It is quick, yes, and sometimes you sit for a long time because your dead in a second, but there are some strategic options, even at the fast pace once the initial wave of death happens.
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I'm still trying to figure out why there is so much debate over a new shazam map. Why remake a map that has been modified 3 times since its original. I have a better idea, HOW ABOUT MAKING A NEW MAP? Why do you people want a remake of a map that has been overplayed so much over the past 5 years, as well as being remade several times. And don't say "because the shazam maps are fun", because then you can just keep playing the current ones. The more you modify it, the less it looks like Shazam and should just be given a new name, and put something lame like "inspired by Shazam".
Oh and Loial, I'm pretty sure the reason DirtyTaco doesn't want to make a new Shazam map are as follows: He couldn't care less about DP anymore. Also with the lack of a community, the time and effort that would go into actually making a good map would be wasted. It would also most likely look nothing like Shazam and therefore should not be called Shazam4. This is because he would actually make a good map that all the pubbers wouldn't like because they would get lost and start spraying walls and complaining "Go to Airtime" and "Shazam33 is so much better than this remake". If I'm wrong, correct me Pierce, but I'm pretty sure that almost covers it.
That is all.
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3 times? Hm...
shazam
kablam
shazam22
shazamr
shazam33
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And don't forget the training spinoffs: shaztrain, shazamtt, etc.
I wouldn't mind a shazam remake if it replaced the existing shazams, but what will most likely happen is that server admins will have 5 shazam maps in rotation instead of 4.
As for DT, he has a nice new map in the works that has nothing to do with shazam: http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=3718.0
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Forgot about kablam.
And yes, from my argument Shazam was remade 3 times. Shazam22, Shazamr and Shazam33. That's 3 times modified since the original.
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Isn't shazamr like the original shazam with some lighting changes?
But everything else than that is the same? Like size, routes, etc.
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Isn't shazamr like the original shazam with some lighting changes?
...and MASSIVE MARBLE WALLS.
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Uh, it uses the standard grey rock wall that most outdoor maps do. All it really does is clean up the brush and texture work and add excessive colored lighting (though not as excessive as kablam).
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...huh. Just checked that out, I remembered wrong apparently.
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I don't think Shazamr is the exact same size as the original.
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airtimeoi is old, and possibly the worst of the airtimes.
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Who are you talking to, TinMan? ;)
Hehe, I deleted his post while you were replying.
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Nice. lol, it needed to be deleted.
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Post removed
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So there wont be a shazam44 or pbcup_shazam.
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by these scores proply not
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Actualy there is now, 2 infact. Please enjoy UB_Shazzed and Shazzed_pbcup. I warned you, NO I BEGGED YOU and I got tired of asking, so I paid 2 lovers a $100 each to make it.
I hope all of you enjoy bananas textures and a large box with cockers in them if you will notice it looks like somone depictied a certain players clan being slapped with phallic symbol leading to the base in UB_Shazzed and please notice the re-introduction of the 300 hopper in Shazzled_pbcup.
I would like to thank BOB and UNI for working together in the spirit of friendship for making this possible. Please enjoy. I am lying of course.
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Insane Bro, where ya been hiding? :)
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Uni would slap Bob in the spirit of friendship
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Uni is busy with his new video game: www.warwulf-inc.com/t2t/
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what is it like and will it use bsp for the mapping? ??? ??? ???
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well, since Ive just recently starting mapping, Ive actually been using the shaz layout to create my first real map. For all you that are against this don't worry, its probably going to suck on your standards. So yeah, i probably wouldn't have used that layout if i would have seen this thread before i started... :o
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Don't make maps based on other maps. It's much, much better to go with your own ideas.
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I am slowly working on shazam44. Yes, Shazam44. It will be baseed off of Shazam33 another entrance to the base will be added that inclused an ice jump.
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Gotta love those ice jumps.
Why not make a jump that involves skill, unlike the bridge jump in shaz33 or an ice jump?
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ice jumps are soo newbish that you see every kid nailing ice to ladder 2 top every time. it wont just be slide and jump as in pbcup. it will be hard.
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it wont just be slide and jump as in pbcup. it will be hard.
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't all ice jumps slide and jump? :-[
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how booot u 2 be quiet and help out..