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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Digital Paint League => Topic started by: RoyalBlood on March 22, 2004, 06:55:35 PM
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Ok yeah whatever ;D
Anyway, I think what it would be good right now is to list anyone who you think deserves to be in this committee thing and reasons why. They should be like a representative of a currently active and legit clan or someone who is a key part of the DP development or community. Who ever admins each server would be another good person who should be involved too.
So I will throw my name in the hat, as the representative for DOM and since I will probably be providing a server in the near future. And maybe also since i helped rally everyone together like this... but I wont entirely take credit for that :D
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Ill represent Type-R, I'll also help wherever I can.
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i nominate myself to represent smurf :) I feel i would be a good person to be on this committe because i have been playing the most out of all of my clan. Also I am the leader of smurf and i have good ideas. and i nominate cal and jits to be in it too just for the fact that they are the makers ;)
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Just something I thought of, only clan members can nominate a clan rep. That would be retarded for me to nominate Smurfs rep for them ;D
Ill nominate all server admins, whoever they are =)
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i think cal, jits and Fourthx should be moderators, i'd nominate myself as a rep for cP since im a co-leader and our leader isnt on half as much as i am.
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Some names that popped into my head as being fairly involved: FourthX, Xile, Fryth, XtremeBain, DirtyTaco, Acid, WarWulf.
Edit: wow, lots of posts between me opening this thread and actually replying to it. :)
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jitspoe - bain is in sp so its either him or merl or someone else from sp. If a person isnt in a clan then they shouldnt have a say in the matching/scrimming standards And fryth is in smurf so i dunno
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Another stipulation. There should be a max of 2 reps per clan. Example is if you have a clan leader representing clanX, then you also have a member of clanX represented because they host a server and another because they help develop the game. In this situation ClanX should decide which 2 will represent them.
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Yah Im in agreement with Cal and Jit being the moderators.
As for cP...this will be the center of much controversy im sure, but I would like to throw my name into the mix of things. I've been actively involved in this mod since the very second (literally) beta 1 was released. Since then, I have led several very successfull clans and helped countless newer players set the basics down for running a good clan. I would like to think my merit as a good leader would be recognized. I have an extremely deep rooted understanding of how this mod works...and, hey I think I have some pretty darn good ideas too ;D One final thought there are members of my clan that I also feel have contributed significantly, namely, DirtyTaco and Acid....but how do we draw the line as who gets the spot? Jitspoe, Acid, DirtyTaco, and myself all come from the same clan....I do feel all of us can contribute vastly in different ways. Just my 2 cents...
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I was just throwing out some names that came to mind.
Is this comitte just going to be deciding the rules, or will it be doing things like reviewing demos of accused cheaters when those types of issues arise?
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Jit,
I think the committe should decide upon that once it is formed.
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I nominate Zimbu for making the best and most entertaining gaming FAQ I have ever read. He has also been in the community for a long time and provided that he is active right now, he knows what DP is about.
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I say lets try to get all nominations in and decided on by the end of the week. So any legit and active clan that isnt represented yet, better throw your name in the hat.
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I made a post of 'legit' clans for all of you that haven't seen it.
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Heres a list of the nominations so far. I listed what clan they are affiliated as I am aware of.
Jitspoe (cP) and Calrathan (Smurf) for making the darn game
RoyalBlood representing DOM
Belmont representing Type-R
Oddjob representing Smurf
Fryth representing Smurf
Xbain representing SprayPaint
Merl representing SprayPaint
Borgus representing cP
Acid representing cP
DirtiyTaco representing cP
FourthX
Xile
Zimbu
Warwulf
Im not exactly sure if the last 4 are in a currently active clan or not. And as you can see we have several clans that have multiple nominates so far. Somehow we need to come to a compromise to only have 1 per clan (excluding Cal and Jits nomination, they are in no matter what). I think this would ultimately be most fair to everyone. Then after formation if there are a couple of persons who deserve to be included but arent because their clan was already represented, we will vote them in. I think it will be obvious to most of us which clans deserve more than 1 representative.
PS. If we are missing any active clan here, we need to let them know so they can choose to be represented or not. They probably dont want to be left out.
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I like this, I can see this being sexy! I saw my name was thrown into the mix of things. I can host what ever (as far as servers off of bonded T1 lines) Also i would be willing to host more files for paintball, i have 3mb of unused upload. If someone wants to get a page together for this i will host that as well (http://whatever.vcweb.org)
I have stuck with dp for many many years, I have a basic concept of whats rules should be involed in a match, and i also have a eye for cheaters! (me stares at muthax.exe) :-). I would be willing to help in any way you would like. Let me know!
Vince
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Every little bit helps you sexy sexy man
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I nominate CyberDog.
*ts*....*snrk*....*spfhahahahahaha
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Y2J has beeen nominated/selected to represent [eR33t], seeing as we are the top clan currently, and will be for the coming years.
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Well, if jit is nominating Cdog, I'm nominating Hump. bwaha.
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I nominate Hades as the leader of being fat.
Also, I can host a good East Coast server should one be needed. Just keep me informed.
-Donk
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/me kick ban's Y2J
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I nominate CyberDog.
*ts*....*snrk*....*spfhahahahahaha
HAHA! I died when I read that, Jit. That was great, kudos to you.
I would put a limit on how many people represent a clan. I would say no more than 2. Along with making sure the people that represent each clan is well versed in the game and well versed in the "tradition" of pball, such has how things used to be run with the PBC and so on. i.e. old schoolers
Just my two cents.
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Ok i think we have decided that there wont be any formal limit per clan (assuming they are absolutely valid and deserve to be in), BUT voting is done per clan. So you can have 4 representatives per one clan, but you only share 1 vote. That way everyone can participate in the discussion and debate phase of it, which would make up the majority of the committee process. But when we do a formal vote, each clan only gets 1 vote so everyone has an equal say and its fair and balanced in the clan/matching community.
HOWEVER... I think its best to just have 1 per clan initially. This will make it a lot easier to organize. And then the first thing we do, after electing a moderator, could be to add more members if they deserve so. Otherwise I'm sure every clan would agrue that they deserve several members, and that really defeats the purpose of having a committee in the first place.
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Might I suggest only one "voice" per clan, like one noted speaker if you will. So when you have the meetings you don't have the same opinion coming four times from the same clan.
Make the channel so the "voices" are ops and everyone else nothing then set +m so you get a limit on who talks. If clan members care to speak to eachother about a topic they will have to do it in another channel so your topic doesn't get lost in random discussion on the side.
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Yeah we'll worry about that when we do have to worry about it =) A forum will be used for bringing up ideas/concerns and discussing them. So multiple perspectives can be voiced on that. But for an irc meeting it would be best to just have one voice per clan, so as to keep our sanity!
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everyone should have a voice, on the committe or not. The problem i see with limiting the amount of reps from a clan is...wheres XP rep? or any other clans besides cp,sp,er33t,cf,smurf? Look at prozak, Borgus, Dt and myself...Borgus and i have lead successful clans for near 5 years, and dt has been our female dog (jking) The three of us have contributed to dp in one way or another and we have never done anything to "harm" the dp community. However if you get like jer, protee,y2j, or anyone else who doesnt care or isnt willing to put forward a serious effort this will go no where.
I think maybe a standard vote should be done.
Come up with a number of people for the committe, for example 10, or 5...doesnt matter. Then non wanna-be committe members vote on who out of the list should be a committe member.
Then if we wanted to get nifty certian members can be assigned jobs, teams, what ever to look after.
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Acid, you accuse people of hacking for the hell of it, Borg hasnt lead a successful clan for more than 2 weeks, these are the type of people that deserve to be on a committe? this whole clique of people against er33t is pathetic, just cause we're better than you all doesn't mean we cheat/hack or use any advantages or whatever the intercourse u wanna call them. we just have more skill, end of story. good night.
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1 representative per clan. Its not going to be a democracy... we only need 1.
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iI dont know where XP's rep is cuz they havent nominated anyone or had a desire to participate as far as I'm aware of. We cant force anyone to participate, we can only suggest it and hope they will. Same thing with the standards we come up with. Ultimately they dont have to follow them. We just hope they will, cuz most of the rest of us are going about this with the intentions of observing them ourselves.
And exactly what have you (acid), DirtyTaco, and Borgus done for the community that anyone else hasnt? I dont mean to start anything. But the fact is there are a lot of people who think they deserve to be in this or that they have helped the community over the years. This is the problem that we are coming to, and the only logical, fair solution would be to limit it to 1 rep per clan. cP and Smurf both think they deserve 4 or more representatives. Maybe those guys are deserving, but then if you guys get that many in, I think DOM should have another 1 or 2 ourselves. And then other clans will think the same way too.
So lets try this. Cal and Jits are already in, regardless of clan affiliation. Next we need ONE representative (logicallly this should be your leader or whoever simply is more involved in the community to begin with) per clan. Then after we have that, we can add a few VERY deserving individuals who deserve to be in it based on SIGNIFICANT contributions to the DP community regardless of clan affiliation. Not just for support and making a few maps, but a seriously signficant contribution. And this is only IF there are any. We dont have to add anyone else just for the sake of it.
Actually heres another thought everyone should think about. The main goal of the committee is to standardize clan matching and hopefully make the clan/matching experience more worthwhile and enjoyable. So therefore, really when you think about it, anyone who isnt actively participating in a clan in the first place really doesnt deserve to influence the standards that will be used to drive that aspect of the community. And anyone in a clan has an indirect influence and say in the committee through their clan representative.
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It wouldn't do to have me part of the committee, but you could add me to the now newly created "Technical Network Extensions" member list.
;)
I'd be more useful if I knew PHP...
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Acid, you accuse people of hacking for the hell of it, Borg hasnt lead a successful clan for more than 2 weeks, these are the type of people that deserve to be on a committe? this whole clique of people against er33t is pathetic, just cause we're better than you all doesn't mean we cheat/hack or use any advantages or whatever the intercourse u wanna call them. we just have more skill, end of story. good night.
y2j, before muthax.exe when was the last time i accused anyone of being a cheater that wasnt? I told everyone jade cheated...holy crap she did! I have had like 5 sr teamates of your tell me you had very shifty gaming, such as all white textures and glowing bodies, wallhacks, so be quiet. Y2j no offense but if you want to see whos a better team...match for once with out blitz and we will see where the team er33t is. I dont have anything against team er33t, infact i have been doing quiet well trying to get along with digi and bob, and i have always had a good relationship with blitz. If you wish to reply to this y2j either start another topic or pmsg me on irc.
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I'll reply right here, blitz is part of OUR team why should we play without him? And hell we've beat you without him anyways before. Just get over yourself, you're not all that, you accused me and someone else of hacking in a demo, when you had the fn scoreboad up the whole time. You always accuse er33t of using tweaks and what not, you're just not as good as us, face it. And I can gaurentee I never had white textures and taht excrement, I dont see how you can play like that, that'd be annoying as intercourse.
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...yeah yeah and blitz fro teh man...
I just noticed that nobody is repping for XP. I'll talk to some members and see if anybody wishes to take ownership of the clan. I once ran the clan 50/50 with micro (merged #1 with xp), so I guess I'm owner as he is missing (heh).
I hope aura will possibly accept.
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Borg hasnt lead a successful clan for more than 2 weeks <--- LOLOLOLOLOL
Anyways, i know most of my maps suck, but excrement, i've made over 25 of them with more too come. I'm pretty sure thats more than anyone thats ever mapped. I consider it a big contribution because mapping takes a long f-ing time. To put in the ammount of effort it takes to make a map and get the same response from the general dp world is pretty meaningless. It seems maps made during the early beta days or "old school maps" are highly reguarded by "old school players" and most of the old schoolers wont have anything to do with new maps. The newbies think the only good maps involve ice and a barrel. It seems the only reguard i can get for any of my maps is from mappers themselves because after viewing one of my more recent maps they realize the effort and time it takes to make some of the stuff i've made. Somehow this post is supposed to lead to the conclusion that i've put alot of positive time and effort into DP. Go me
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Dirtytaco: Sounds like you're fully qualified to be nominated for a level design committee, #pbmappers ?
I think that this committee should only have one representative per clan, the executive(1-3 head individuals) from the league, one representative for all the server admins and one representative from the developement team. This should be sufficient, any more people and you're just going to end up having another unorganized #paintball-like open discussion that doesn't really solve anything.
This means that server admins need to come together and form a small group/committee/ensemble of their own and work together on a standardized server set of binaries/rules/etc.
Just some thoughts,
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So there's going to be multiple comittees?
This is going to get crazy.
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LOL, this isnt counterstrike or whatever else is currently the most popular mod/game. I dont think we need a completely seperate committee for the few server admins out there to basically discuss and standarize the same exact things this committee would be doing. Just keep it all together.
And I agree that DT would be perfect to represent some map making website or help forum. You defnitely have put in a lot of time into DP and it is very appreciated. But a lot of people have made maps. Just cuz you made the most or some good ones (which of course is debatable and reason why this shouldnt be used as validation for contribution) doesnt mean you are more deserving that otheres.
We need some perspective. The purpose of this committee is NOT to change the game or how public games are played or how servers are used. This is a committee made up of clans for the clans who have an interest in re-establishing some acceptable standards for matching and functioning as a clan, so as to make the experience of being in a clan and matching other clans more enjoyable, rewarding, and meaningful, which then can be applied towards such things like league play. So the committee should mostly include representatives from other clans. Thats common sense I think. The standards the committee comes up with are only suggested. We cant actually force anyone to not play 2v2s and count them to their match records. We just hope that enough clans will participate in the committee that we wont recognize and respect clans who dont follow these standards on the same level as we do the clans who do follow them. Thats all this really should be about.
And even if you arent actually a representative in the committee, that doesnt mean you still cant help. We could use a website, so we need some designers. Anyone who follows the standards will be helping the community. Mappers who continue to provice decent maps that allow for match play according to these standards will be helping. Server admins who put recommended maps in their rotation, etc. There are many ways one can help. But as far as actually discussing and establishing these standards, it really should be left to a single representative from each clan.
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xtremebain made blizzard.bsp, nuff said
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He wasn't making fun of you fgt.
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Borg hasnt lead a successful clan for more than 2 weeks <--- LOLOLOLOLOL
Anyways, i know most of my maps suck, but excrement, i've made over 25 of them with more too come. I'm pretty sure thats more than anyone thats ever mapped.
...? Cyko used to pump out 25 maps per week. I'm not saying they were good, but for some reason people believe that mapping is hit or miss. Just create and create until you get a winner. No.
And Borgus...
Did you lead DsC? seems to me that Punisher did. Any following clans by the same name were little more than pathetic attempts to live in the shadow of a fallen great.
Oh, and I find it infinitely humorous that such a big deal is being made of organizing this league. I don't know that the community at this point has an average maturity level high enough to maintain such a thing. Due to the high interest levels created by the alphas there has been a massive influx of newbies to the game. That's great. In a matter of months perhaps there will be a stable community after some of these newbies get their footing. I understand that the league is an attempt to try and bring back several older players and to maintain interest in the game of those who have been playing it, however the majority of players out there have not been around long enough to have seen the many, many leagues that have attempted to exist and failed miserably.
And Team XP,
Why are you so hard up to include them? If they aren't stepping forward with a figurehead, perhaps they don't want to compete? Forcing their entry will do little more than screw up the brackets if and when the league does come around.
Another point, why should eR33t match without Blitz? It's fairly common knowledge that he is one of our stronger players, if not the strongest. For you to ask us to match without him.... Isn't that kind of like asking us to tie one hand behind our back to fight you? Come on now, have some balls.
And I'm spent...
-Donk
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You are correct Donk. It wouldnt be a good idea to make the league right now. But since there are so many newbies playing, its important to try to develop them properly so that in a few months when we do start a league they will be prepared. Plus some newbies might get turned off by the low standards of matching that is predominant out there. Thats what turned off most old school players whenever they thought about coming back over the last few years. I know it did to me. You come back cuz you remember the reasons why you enjoyed and played the game in the first place, but when you actually spend time on the servers and play a few matches, then you are instantly reminded of why you left. Some of us want to make matching better again and we arent going to give up in that effort!
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I'd like to think that the latter half of my maps significantly better than any of cyko's maps. Yes my first 10 maps or whatever i shouldn't have released, but that was just immaturity in middle school/early high school.
Borgus lead many clans more than 2 weeks. The last of which beat your beloved eR33t on more than one occasion and would still be around had 2 of its members not almost cost borgus his job.
What im trying to say is that i've done alot of positive work for this community whether it be mapping, helping newbies, or participating in clan activity, and promoting the game. Anyony can pump out 25 poor maps, i'm not saying that i should be elected soley on the grouds of mapping, i'm just using mapping as a principle towards positive achievement since thats the thing i've put the most effort into.
As for only matching with blitz.. i don't really care, alot of clans do that and have done that, only matching when they have their leader or strongest player. No faults there.
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This is getting out of hand. This wont be a good start to any committe. Lets just let jitspoe assign 5-6 committe members (not counting himself). He made the game, hes active, he knows a fair amount of the players. Getting this to complex will kill it, allowing stupid people to be in the committe will kill it, it getting this much negative publicity will kill it.
I vote let jitspoe decide and lets get this roling. If you dont get selected you can still contribute in which ever ways you want.
Vince
Note: the only reason i brought up the blitz thing is that he is the only one who doesnt brag/be merry about er33t doing well...when he is the one doing well for er33t, dont get me wrong er33t has many other great players but if you want to talk excrement about you owning show us how much YOU own.
If you think this is a false statement i would love to schedual a match with you.
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I think people should spend less time trying to better their own position and more time recognizing what is best for the community.
Seeing the list of nominations is not surprising at all. I wholehartedly agree with everyone's name that is on that list. As far as limiting representives to one per clan, I do not think that is a wise idea at all. Several of the guys from clan smurf have really good ideas AND have showed their devotion to the mod. I know that I would like to hear what each of them had to say. I can say, without bias, that I can concur with prozak's nominations as well. I really like the direction to which this committee is headed. but I think if we put an immidiate cap on the amount of members involved, we will be missing out on what some really wise people had to say. And I know you are going to say "well they would still be represented by their spokesperson," but that isnt always true. I know i differ with acid and taco on a variety of issues, and its good to hear all sides of the issue in a public forum format so that, as a committee, we can come to an educated conclusion. Everyone on that list is a mature individual, we are big boys now and we can handle ourselves in a respectable manner.
In my defense to the previous statements made by Y2J...I dont really need to defend such asinine comments from such an asinine individual. Any respectable member of this community can see right through the lies and deceit put forth in previous replies in an effort to hender the progress of this committee. If you wish to argue the legitmacy of my committment to DP, message me on irc. That kind of talk really has no place here.
my 2 cents.
-Borg-
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let's just let jit choose people...no limit. we might miss out on some good people! ;)
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Or how about we just do it the way it was originally planned. I was just observing what would happen. Notice how initially everyone was so motivated and then it kind of died out. That was my worry. That is how a lot of people are. They think they are interested in this or that they are deserving, but really they are neither. Also I was individually asking each clan who their representative is, since some clans had more than one, but I still havent gotten a decision yet. Anyway I just got home from work and am tired and probably not making a lot of sense. I think any legit and active clan right now deserves a representative. So according to that, here is the committee as of now.
Jitspoe
Calrathan
RoyalBlood (DOM)
Oddjob (Smurf)
y2j (er33t)
Merl or Xbain (SprayPaint)
someone from cP, just dont know exactly who =)
I suggest we just go ahead and start with this. At least we can get started and elect a moderator and then decide on how the committee will work and if we should allow any other members. How does that sound to you guys?
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Do you want me to make a separate section in the forum or what?
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yea do that jits
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RB,
Why not have everyone who was on your original list take part in the comittee. Just limit those people who are from the same clan to one vote.
Jit,
Yah, that sounds good...tack a forum on ;D
-Borg-
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Why not have everyone who was on your original list take part in the comittee. Just limit those people who are from the same clan to one vote.
Well I was reflecting the work Belmont did on what actual active clans are out there that can regularly match 4v4 or more, which is what we are trying to set the standards for. Any other clans I left off can be added, its just a matter of I wasnt sure fi they are even alive or not at the moment.
And as for the other players such as FourthX and Zimbu, etc... I dont know if they even want to participate or not, they were just nominated. So I didnt include them since I havent heard anything specific from them.
Either way is good. The importance is that we get people who are SERIOUS about it. Not just people who want to be included. PersonA sees that PersonB is in the committee and thinks to himself, "I am more deserving than PersonB" and then automatically wants to be involved regardless of whether or not he actually will participate in it. You know what i'm saying?
Either way, yes a new forum would be great for this Jitspoe. And we need to finalize who specifically should participate. I think my last listing is best as a starting point. We just need to start somewhere and usually starting small is best. Then we can add a few more members.
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lol FourthX is in a clan #team_coldfusion
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Well in the real world bigger states count for more votes...shouldnt bigger clans as well /me giggles
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I said on IRC that I was willing, I restate it here.
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What kind of decisions will this "committe" be making?
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What kind of decisions will this "committe" be making?
Read the rest of this thread and that other one about the committee and you will know more than you probably want.
I said on IRC that I was willing, I restate it here.
I never knew this. I wont even ask if ColdFusion is active or has enough players, your other deeds are enough :)
Well in the real world bigger states count for more votes...shouldnt bigger clans as well * acid giggles
The answer to that is very simple. It just wouldnt work. How do you define it? Should a all newbie clan with 30 mostly inactive and ignorant members get more representatives and votes than a 10 person clan who every single person is active and contributes to the community in some way? The committee would collapse into failure.
I find it funny that certain clans still haven't picked a sole representative, but have done plenty of talking, esp about why or why not there should be more than one representative per clan. If you pick a rep and we get started, then your rep can try to work the committee and let someone else in too. Just pick one already. Not to mention that every clan should have a sole representative just for general clanning anyway. Something like scheduling matches runs a lot smoother when only 1 person from each clan communicate to one another for the whole clan. Same thing during a match. Things can get out of control and downright lame if 3 or 4 people from each clan are all trying to talk at once. Just let 1 rep from each clan talk. If you have a hard time picking a representative, just look on the forum and see who has been more active and contributing the most on this subject to begin with and pick him. Simple enough and probably the person who would be the best for the job in the first place...
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see thats the thing, borgus, acid, and i all schedule matches and all do different things the typical leader of a clan would do :/. Also i think cid was joking about the state vote thing :)
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just fn choose one. it's not hard. you all have your input to that one person for them to share.
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Yeah warwulf is da bomb