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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on September 25, 2006, 03:26:58 PM
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Name: Jigsaw
IP: 71.254.198.240
Cheat: Modifying textures so players show up better.
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot001ww6.jpg
He was even warned about it, too.
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How long is the ban for a 2nd time offense? He was caught wallhacking before right? It's sad how he caught himself by posting screenshots.
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It doubles each time, so 64 days.
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he evades it, jitspoe.
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owned. bahah
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PERMABAN!
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What gives Jigga you were even warned bro. C-ya!
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L-m-f-a-o
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L-m-f-a-o
newbieish response, wouldnt excpect anything less..didnt even make you good.
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LMFAO
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Yea um...he's still playing. He won't be banned so all your doing is wasting your time.
P.S. I was talking to jig and he told me superman and about half of apex has all those textures just to fill you in.
Also every time we match them we get massive lag for some reason. There whole team just seems to lag. All of our ping is decent but they still lag on our screens. Moe was playing and he was just fine then we matched apex and his fps dropped to about 5. I don't know why but that always seems to happen when we match them no matter what server we are in. I think they cheat in more ways then just modified textures.
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ritual uses them, i think. he was talking to me about it on the bus, lol.
also hitman, No.
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Hitman.. we obviously can't trust someone who has been caught wallhacking, and modifying textures more than once even when told not to. So if you think Apex cheats, then prove it.
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i looked at that screen that jistpoe posted and i dont see any texture modifications other than the HUD color
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Well it's pretty simple to spot out.. The barrels by the Y are all black, the grass is all black, the Y-Ramp to the window is all gray, and the window-ramp is all gray. But uhh, nice work J0E.
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the HUD doesn't even matter, obviously the modified make it easier to see. hardware ban him, everyone is sick of his attitude
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God I love idiots.
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Jots, get a detector for people who have modded textures, Hitman, I wouldn't talk. I know you yourself use them, and your clan, like iEATnoobs with his neon pink/green players. But I get banned.
EDIT: Hitman, when you matched us last night. And lost, is that why you're complaining, again?
Does anyone else get 5 fps when matching us, no.
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Sounds like those alleged rate hacks or something even more clever from the mama boys era.
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the HUD doesn't even matter, obviously the modified make it easier to see. hardware ban him, everyone is sick of his attitude
i love u spook. for life.
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Sounds like those alleged rate hacks or something even more clever from the mama boys era.
Ahhh, CC must be spreading them..
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Umm to tell u the truth i find no way jigsaw should be banned. Obviously jitspoe is being too over protecting about his so called POWER of dpball, since he banned nearly everyone that was hacking, he has to go ban people that are just being smart.JITS IF YOU WERE JIGSAW I KNOW YOU WOULD DO THE SAME EXACT THING. So come on, please lift jigs ban.
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Don't even bother.
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Umm to tell u the truth i find no way jigsaw should be banned. Obviously jitspoe is being too over protecting about his so called POWER of dpball, since he banned nearly everyone that was hacking, he has to go ban people that are just being smart.JITS IF YOU WERE JIGSAW I KNOW YOU WOULD DO THE SAME EXACT THING. So come on, please lift jigs ban.
"since he banned nearly everyone that was hacking"
If you want to rave about power, go make your own game. Jitspoe made this game and therefore has dictatorish power over it. If you don't like who he bans, you can just not play his game. In any case, Jitspoe's rules are clear. If you cheat, you will be banned. Jitspoe's ban times are very fair and the rules are very simple. Jigsaw knew he what he was doing was against the rules, and he cheated anyway. It won't kill him to take a 60 day siesta from the DPBall scene. Plus, warhead, you make no sense at all. Jigsaw being smart? Jitspoe would do the same thing? You're a moron.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
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so is this the second or third time someone has self-incriminated by posted a screenshot?
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Rudy, Jigsaw, I know there's gotta be more though.
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Umm to tell u the truth i find no way jigsaw should be banned. Obviously jitspoe is being too over protecting about his so called POWER of dpball, since he banned nearly everyone that was hacking, he has to go ban people that are just being smart.JITS IF YOU WERE JIGSAW I KNOW YOU WOULD DO THE SAME EXACT THING. So come on, please lift jigs ban.
Well.... people are being smart by modifying the textures to play better?
Nice argument...
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I think the textures looked pretty sexy? I made my game back to normal by uninstalling and reinstalling if that helps? :P
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I suppose using wallhacks or aimbots would be "smart", too, hmm? Where do you draw the line?
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Rudy, Jigsaw, I know there's gotta be more though.
CRASH, as well.
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Honestly, i'm horrible at dp. If I had an aimbot, wouldn't I be better? No sarcasm. ^
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Rudy, Jigsaw, I know there's gotta be more though.
CRASH, as well.
No one had clarified that changing color of your models was hacking at that time. Im sure almost everyone used them at that time too, lol.
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I got yelled at for using solid glowbright skins back in 2000 or so, and was told it was cheating, but I think that was posted on the old forums.. its just common sense.
Anything used/modified that will give you any kind of advantage, outside what is already provided in the game, is/would be considered cheating.
Don't you ever listen to your mother kate? If someone jumps off of a bridge, it doesn't mean you should too.
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...he has to go ban people that are just being smart...
As Jitspoe has said, only smart people don't get caught. How can he help it if you and your friends just aren't smart (that's stupid, isn't it?)
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If someone jumps off of a bridge, it doesn't mean you should too.
I did that when I was a kid. Sprained my ankle. True story. :-\
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I think the textures looked pretty sexy? I made my game back to normal by uninstalling and reinstalling if that helps? :P
Nice try but I think you should just take your ban. It really is your fault that you posted screen shots. It's not like jitspoe did something really unfair, you just simply turned yourself in. Maybe this time you won't talk on irc about how much you own me for your whole ban.
See ya in 64 days.
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WOW he made a few things black.Dang thats really bad man ppl in this game are babies.You people flip out over the little things.
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I think the textures looked pretty sexy? I made my game back to normal by uninstalling and reinstalling if that helps? :P
Nice try but I think you should just take your ban. It really is your fault that you posted screen shots. It's not like jitspoe did something really unfair, you just simply turned yourself in. Maybe this time you won't talk on irc about how much you own me for your whole ban.
See ya in 64 days.
HaRdCoRe!
Yeah, well I think this whole thing is hilarious, because about 75% of this game does it. Why don't you go into peoples accounts, and see what they have modded.
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First of all, if we know edited some of his textures, he most likely edited all of them. You do have a point though, even when he used his modified textures he wasn't very good at DP. Hell, even when he wallhacked he wasn't good at DP.
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It's really quite simple: modifying game content in order to be able to see enemy players better is cheating. This was spelled out when you posted screenshots of your modified textures previously. The number of players cheating doesn't make it any less of a cheat. "Other people do it" is not a valid excuse. You might be surprised to discover that most people, in fact, don't cheat. How many screenshots have you seen posted on the forums? And how many had textures modified to see players better? 3? 4? If I let those slide, I'm basically saying, "It's OK to cheat." It's not. There's currently not much client verification built into the game, but if you post a screenshot of yourself cheating, then you will be banned.
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No one had clarified that changing color of your models was hacking at that time. Im sure almost everyone used them at that time too, lol.
Rudy's case wasn't modified skins though, it was plain out wallhacks, lol.
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Jitspoe, what if you are just showing screen shots of models you made/edited? I know if you use them on a server it is illegal, but if you load them up against a couple of ace bots to get an SS is that allowed?
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I don't allow screenshots that promote cheating. Posting screenshots of modified content on acebots to "show it off" would fall under that category. They would probably just be deleted, though. Jigsaw posted a screenshot like this before, had it deleted and was warned, yet he continued to use the modified content online, so a ban was necessary.
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I don't mean posting it on the forums, but showing people on irc or something.
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What if I cheat, screenshot it, then print it out and leave it on my table. Will you ban me? huh huh huh huh
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I don't mean posting it on the forums, but showing people on irc or something.
How is that different?
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Well jitspoe said there is nothing wrong with having hacks, so basically as long as I'm not using them on a server I don't see anything wrong with showing screen shots of them vs bots.
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I don't allow screenshots that promote cheating. Posting screenshots of modified content on acebots to "show it off" would fall under that category. They would probably just be deleted, though. Jigsaw posted a screenshot like this before, had it deleted and was warned, yet he continued to use the modified content online, so a ban was necessary.
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Well Jitspoe said there is nothing wrong with having hacks
Not just Jitspoe but a good number of players have endorsed using cheats to catch cheats. So where does that justification stop? I asked that question once , as I recall Bain replied accurately..."with players you trust."
So who is left to trust?
IDK That should be for Jitspoe to decide. But will offer this. If it is installed, get it off now. Which is something else Jitspoe suggested that players do.
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lmfao. Jigsaw, first of all I don't know where you came up with 75% of people using modded textures. Even if say, 75% of the people do, they aren't stupid enough to post a screenshot of them (with the exception of crash and ruddy). Maybe you and all of your newbie friends use modded textures, but seriously why bother? It clearly doesn't even help.
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As promised I will ask this.
What is the difference between this modified content and the 4hr.zip? Which I highly recommend.
http://upload.arena-zone.com/705387
You can modify resolution but not color? Ok I understand the principal behind it. Just not the allowance of any sound or visual modifications.
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As promised I will ask this.
What is the difference between this modified content and the 4hr.zip? Which I highly recommend.
http://upload.arena-zone.com/705387
You can modify resolution but not color? Ok I understand the principal behind it. Just not the allowance of any sound or visual modifications.
Pretty simple answer here: jitspoe endorses the use and creation of hr4 textures on the engine that he has created to support these features. However he does not support the modification or creation of textures (normal or hr4) that are used for the sole purpose of providing an advantage over other players.
It's too bad that there's not currently an sv_pure cvar that prevents players from using modified models, skins, textures, maps or shaders on competition servers so that this whole gray area could be forgotten. That would allow server administrators to decide what additional modifications would be allowed (ex. a league approved brightskins package). This would involve implementing .paks or .pk3s in a game that has never made use of them.
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I'm still trying to figure out why there is even a debate about this....
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I really don't care about skins/models.. i used Quake2 models for maybe 4 months when i started playing DP, they were all bright colored also!, But i reinstalled DP when i got caught wallhacking and haven't really gotten around to putting the q2 models back in play...
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God, just to think that this jigsaw kid is just back from being unbanned, and hes stupid enough to post a screenshot getting him banned again...just leave.
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you know...a lot of people used all of the q2dp sounds and textures when the alpha was first released. I'm not sure if anyone still does, but would that be considered modified content??
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It's really quite simple: modifying game content in order to be able to see enemy players better is cheating....
Does this mean that changing skies is considered cheating? If the maps default is pbsky3 and u change it to 1 or something, you are getting an advantage over the other player =/. It is built into the game tho. I don't see a difference between changing the sky and changing textures.
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Does this mean that changing skies is considered cheating? If the maps default is pbsky3 and u change it to 1 or something, you are getting an advantage over the other player =/. It is built into the game tho. I don't see a difference between changing the sky and changing textures.
lmao silly billy there is a big difference use your head and think about what ur saying before u actually say it
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He has a valid point... If you're in a map that has a dark sky then changing it to a light sky makes players easy to see up high in maps like midnight and airtime.
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The onlything I can say to that is that the change is available to everyone whereas modified content is not.
and WTF with all of these "what if" questions?
In a nutshell: If youmake changes to the game that give you an advantage over another player or team, more than likely you are cheating.
Main Entry: 1cheat
Pronunciation: 'chEt
Function: verb
Etymology: 2cheat
transitive verb
1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3 : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>
intransitive verb
1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
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Thanks for the clarification Professor Knacky. Now could you gitcher clothes on!!?? Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo Speedo
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I don't necessarily approve of sky changing, but as mentioned earlier, it's provided to everybody without making modifications to the game, and there are only 2 or 3 maps where it gives you an advantage. I am, however, adding a server side option to disable sky changing, so that it can be controlled.
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again what about using q2dp models/textures/sounds.
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again what about using q2dp models/textures/sounds.
I'll say it
NO
it wont work with the next version anyway.
on a side note: boxers and boots to feed the ponies baby
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Wow I am getting this error with IE and Firefox each time I try to load a page on the forum:
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 737280 bytes) in /hosts/dpball.com/http/forums/Sources/Recent.php on line 1012
W T F is that?
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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2269/screenshotfirefoxkr5.png
ROFL
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Hmm, I tried it in firefox and got that error once, then it went away after I reloaded. No problems with Opera so far, though.
I did make a provision for the whiners to be able to use the q2 player model, however you must use the skins from the quake2 mod and the player model and weapon from your retail copy of quake2.
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Wow the forum's on crack!! Him too... LOL YaY it's Friday night... contemplating having meself a lil drinky. ;D
>> Just got another of those errors LOL
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PiCaSSo, I was too lazy to PM you sorry. Anyways, I came back to my house tonight to view a PM from Derrek. It seems he has lifted my banes from all GT servers. I want you to know this, because I don't want to you ban me thinking im evading my ban. For proof:
<Derrek> have you been able to see the GT servers today?
<Derrek> well...let mw know if you have issues connecting.
I wasnt around to reply, but I can connect fine. I will hardly play either way, but when I do, don't be lame and ban me. Thanks.
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PiCaSSo, I was too lazy to PM you sorry.
Typing that out was probably took a lot more effort than the 1 or 2 extra clicks it would have taken to PM him...
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lol, omg sweetz
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lmao silly billy there is a big difference use your head and think about what ur saying before u actually say it
In a nutshell: If youmake changes to the game that give you an advantage over another player or team, more than likely you are cheating.
I don't necessarily approve of sky changing, but as mentioned earlier, it's provided to everybody without making modifications to the game, and there are only 2 or 3 maps where it gives you an advantage. I am, however, adding a server side option to disable sky changing, so that it can be controlled.
Cola = wrong?
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Look. If sky changing was considered cheating, why the hell would they leave it in the game?
For god's sake, are you retarded or something?
*Edit*
Good point loial, good point.
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For god's sake, are you retarded or something?
Flame on man, flame on! >:(+ ::)= :-X
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superman im not wrong because like jitspoe said it is provided to anybody and everybody who wants to use it... until its disabled its not cheating.. kthx
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Why not just leave everything thats "ingame" modding in the game? Why are things being taken out of the game because a few people whine about it? If everyone can do it than it really isn't a cheat.
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It's just unfair to those who don't want those "ugly" modells and to players which are pretty new to the game because most of them don't know that it's possible.
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superman im not wrong because like jitspoe said it is provided to anybody and everybody who wants to use it... until its disabled its not cheating.. kthx
Anybody and everybody can edit textures in paint too...
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jigsaw evades his ban.
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lmfao. After his last one, it's not very surprising.
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Way to tell them how to hack textures/models Superman. Well done..
First of all I'm not supporting editing textures and models. I simply said I think the ingame stuff should be kept in. The stuff like changing the sky to see better. You say a lot of new players don't know it's possible. First of all do you think some newbie fresh into the game is going to be owning just because he uses a different sky? Not likely. There are too many other things like jumping and strafing for them to learn. Once they have played long enough for them to learn those things I'm sure they will have heard of changing the sky. I see people on public servers saying, "Type sky pbsky2 to change the sky so you can see them better!" on maps like airtime.
About Jigsaw, yeah he has been evading his ban. I don't understand why but everyone in Apex just uses a funname that says Ap3x| when they play on servers. Maybe you should warn Apex that if they keep letting jigsaw play with them, then you will punish the whole clan by giving them all time on the GBL. That might make them stop letting Jigsaw play with them.
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die
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Good one.
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Okay Darkness, for one. I havn't played. I havn't been playing. Counterstrike Souce is about all for right now. WoW is going to be mine this weekend. We've always just played under Ap3x tags. Are you gonna give a warning to the other clans that match and play pubs as just their tag too? No I don't think so. Be quiet please? I don't think anyone cares about your imput.
LoL @ Madman.
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I just always play with the Ap3x| tag because I'm too lazy to bind my name. During matches alot of clans make their names similar so they do not know who they are up against.
And honestly you would have to be a complete idiot not to know that you can edit a picture in paint. The people that do not know this would not be members on a game forum.
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Or they would be people who just want to be informed on what's happening, and just want to play for fun.
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I just always play with the Ap3x| tag because I'm too lazy to bind my name. During matches alot of clans make their names similar so they do not know who they are up against.
What a great answer.. Normally you wear your own name so people know who they are against so a clan isn't using any non-members, or in this case (apparently) a GBL player. Good job Ap3x, keep up the good work.
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First of all I'm not supporting editing textures and models.
What the hell? YOU are even giving them the directory to edit.
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so does this mean my laser paintballs are illegal?
or my BIG ballz?
dang...they gave me such an advantage too.
Everything is and advantage
You brain processes information better than mine ... UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
You have continually practiced hand eye coordination excersises... UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
Jitspoe just draws the line.
Go ahead...step on over the line...better not get caught!
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Weren't you the one going off about HUD number modification being unfair?
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I don't think anyone cares about your imput.
input*
Okay then Jigsaw, maybe I was just wrong because 2 people from your clan have told me that you evade your ban and play for them. They also told me about all the hacked textures/models and other hacks you have and use.
By the way, could you please ask the members of your clan to stop messaging me on irc asking for hacks?
Thanks
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Okay Darkness, for one. I havn't played. I havn't been playing. Counterstrike Souce is about all for right now. WoW is going to be mine this weekend. We've always just played under Ap3x tags. Are you gonna give a warning to the other clans that match and play pubs as just their tag too? No I don't think so. Be quiet please? I don't think anyone cares about your imput.
LoL @ Madman.
who brags about playing WoW??
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Darkness - My textures are normal, and have been since I got banned. I don't have hacks. No one in my clan asks you for hacks, we have all the proof we need to know you hack. And we just make fun of you for it, if you consider that asking you for hacks then more the power to you bud.
Smokey - Who doesn't brag about having WoW.
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WarCrack isn't to be joked about people, it can ruin lives faster than crack (cocaine) can.
You shouldn't brag about having a game, you should respectfully encourage competition in games that you're known to be decent at.
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Jigsaw, you don't have hacks? And I suppose you never got caught wallhacking, never evaded your ban, never used modded textures, etc. It's obvious we can't trust you about anything. And please don't make me get out logs of Warhead and others asking me for hacks.
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i laugh how bling PMs me asking me to match with them.....then i paste it in apex and he devoices me...
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Yeah I get asked to match for them all the time.
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i used to match with them then they started hating...
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i used to match with them then they started hating...
That's because you wanted to be in apex.
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i used to match with them then they started hating...
because you're too good.
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i never wanted to be in apex i just wanted to match... sry son... cause if i wanted to be in apex i could have..
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Yeah I know what you mean Cola. It's funny how Ap3x thinks they are like the best clan in the game and EVERYONE is trying to get in.
By the way.. Jigsaw good job on keeping up that ban evasion.
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i never wanted to be in apex i just wanted to match... sry son... cause if i wanted to be in apex i could have..
No, the one match you gave up 13 points bud. And we told you to intercourse off.
Darkness. Cool. You work with that and saying i'm evading it.
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lmao i never gave up 13 points and you never told me anything nice try... i just stopped matching with you and everyone started getting their rags...
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i think its pretty funny clans still match ap3x when jigsaw is still evading his ban.
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No, the one match you gave up 13 points bud. And we told you to intercourse off.
Gave up 13 points? Are you sure that wasn't your Antix buddy? From what I've seen of Antix matching in the past couple days, I'm now positive that one person can blow a huge lead, even in one round.
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For the record, Ap3x|BanShEE is Jigsaw, and it looks like he decided to try out Zaltekk's ZGH. Why hasn't he been kicked out of that clan yet?
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I was also curious to that. RayBan told me it was because he was 100% positive Jigsaw would never hack again.
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oh snap!!! evading and hacking again excrement son some people never learn..
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For the record, AP3x|Banshee is Jigsaw, and it looks like he decided to try out Zaltekks ZGH. Why hasn't he been kicked out of that clan yet?
So, even when you install it, and don't use it?
Anyway, this game was Kute while it lasted. I'm done with it.
GG.
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if only.
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So, even when you install it, and don't use it?
Anyway, this game was Kute while it lasted. I'm done with it.
GG.
Due to the nature of the cheat, and the fact that the check is currently server side only, I can't always tell if the cheat is currently being used or not. Maybe you did. Maybe you didn't. Either way, you've been caught cheating in the past, and you're evading your ban.
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Ouch.
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Ouch.
*COUGH*POTCALLINGKETTLEBLACK*COUGH*
anyway, was jigsaw's ban extended because of him getting caught on banshee?
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Tom your immature attempt at an insult made no sense whatsoever.
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i got what he meant but it still wasn't funny... meh :-\
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Hardware ban i think he did. ???
I uninstalled dp anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
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Can we believe you this time?
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just because you uninstalled it doesn't mean you can't reinstall it again anyways more than likely we will still be seeing you around
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I uninstalled it because you can't evade a hardware ban. Unless...
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I hope your PC's gonna blow up next time you install DP.
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I hope your PC's gonna blow up next time you install DP.
Hopefully.
It's a POS stock dell computer.
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@DirtyTaco 1. Since when do u play pubs?
2. Why did u change clan to "DaisyBoys" or whatever? lol: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot001ww6.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot001ww6.jpg)
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Can you imagine the humiliation of getting your ass whipped by a clan called "DaisyBoys"?
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Looks like er33t taking a pub down but w/e. When you ban end jigsaw? gotta be soon.
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@qQwaR 1. What does this have to do with Jigsaw's ban?
2. Stop reviving old threads.
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lol qQwaR: Thats not me. Furthermore, by the player count that looks like Superman's server. I'm banned from Superman's server, so you can be sure any 'DirtyTaco's' in his server aren't me.
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1. @Taco: I know it just should be a joke but its ok :D (Who doesn't know Ur in eR33t?)
2. @jitspoe what does this to do with jiggys ban?:
I hope your PC's gonna blow up next time you install DP.
Hopefully.
It's a POS stock dell computer.
I think u just don't like me...:( and i know i have to don't post to old threads...i didn't this is "new".
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the main point is: YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REVIE OLD THREADS.and next time...juts look at the date.
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No he posted it after telling me, beast.
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qQwaR: All unread threads show up as "new". If you'd click the "Mark ALL messages as read" link like I asked you to in PM, we wouldn't have this issue.
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How about this thread just gets locked???