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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Rewind on October 04, 2011, 03:42:42 PM
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Yes this is ranting. Doesn't mean it's uninformed and just flaming. I'm not usually one to do this kind of stuff but someone needs to say it.
Fact: This game is barely active holding on to the unfortunate few pub newbies who have been playing for a while.
There's rarely more than 20 people online at once, all of which are in 'syncmaster's' cable.
IRC channels have RARELY 10 people idling them, matches flat out no longer occur and the entire 'serious' community has disappeared.
So what's the problem exactly? It's not as simple as Jitspoe not supporting the game. If it was I'm sure he would have changed that; to say he doesn't care about this game is ignorant. It's not that new players feel overwhelmed by veterans. Go into any pub and you'll be surprised to find a single veteran excrement-talking and dominating the scoreboard. At this point the game is incredibly approachable to new players. The problem is a mix of a few things which I will address now in the main body of this post.
DPLogin: I've said I don't support this system before but let me articulate my opinion more fully so my point gets across. It is impossible to create an account in game. That ALONE is enough inaccessibility to warrant uninstalling the game. Any game should be as simple as installing and clicking play to begin playing. Back in the b14 days that's all it was and I strongly believe that's what it should be. Multi-clanning is seriously not a problem. If a clan doesn't want multiclanners in them then don't let them in. If a player wants to multi-clan then all that means is the possibility for twice as much activity. I'm not completely sure why dplogin was enforced other than to better enforce banning (I'll address this in point 2) and limit a players fluidity through clanning. The easy solution is just to get rid of it, the more satisfying one would probably be to adjust it in-game and allow for more accessibility.
Banning: For starters unban everyone. I'm not being extravagant, I simply see the current ban system as inefficient and detrimental to the game. Instead of having an entire committee as well as Jitspoe banning people for having more than one account (...) place the burden of banning to the server. Before dplogin was in place I believe this is how it was done. If someone is hacking in a match environment it is pretty guaranteed the perpetrator would be server banned. The community is enough anti-hacking to enforce this. The fact that 90% of the once-active matching community is presently banned is a glaringly obvious reason for the lack of a matching scene. The matching scene (I'm sure the matching community would agree to me here) is infinitely more fun than pubbing and without which leaves this game unappealing for veterans.
Clean up the game: I don't just mean to say Jitspoe should get work done and fix it up. I strongly believe the game should have a group of people working on it, or at least helping out along the way. Things like a global hr4 pack and more attractive UI (which BoNo has already done the grace of creating, I might add) would make this game much more approachable for newcomers as well as reward those who have stayed around for a long time. This isn't even that much of a 'thing that needs to be changed' as it is something that fundamentally exists in any successful lasting game.
I love this game. Honestly. I've played for 7 years now and it's great fun. What I'd love to see even more is for it to be restored to it's former glory. Sure the game is dated more so than it was 7 years ago but anyone here can tell you it doesn't even remotely change the experience digital paintball gives for some strange reason.
Here's hoping
-Stronger
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I agree with everything you said. We've got nothing to lose, why not try his ideas? There might be a problem with people taking each others names, but there are spoofers in almost every game. Start fresh, advertise, and make the game noob-friendly :)
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So you'd rather play against hackers than try to find new players that won't?????
This game is dead, unless a new version is created for this decade. Games get old, and they stop getting played... That's the way it is.
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-quake 3 was dead. so they came out with quake live : a noob friendly version of quake 3 with small updates.
-server owners could still ban whoever they want to.
-if you believe the game is dead, why are you against his ideas? if its dead, things can only get better...
ps: hacks hurt more than they help...
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I am very fond of this game myself and I've wanted it to return to it's former glory for a while now.
I believe trash talking is what ruined this game, especially coming from hackers who 'pretend' and 'convince' newer players that are legitimately good.
This is a HUGE problem for newer players trying to get into the scene.
As many of you may know I have tried to start training clans to help bring new players into the community.
My efforts fail as most of the players were not interested in the clan scene because of how serious people take it.
They were not interested by being verbally abused and down talked constantly in matches.
Yes, it is the internet and they should be ignored but it's still terribly annoying and it does get you worked up regardless.
Other existing players that wanted to be trained were already tainted by a select few players whom they looked up to and adapted their bad attitudes of trash talking constantly and down talking their fellow players.
I tried to teach my recruits how to have a good time and to ALWAYS say 'Good Game' regardless of how badly you lose.
I do not believe the Global Login is the cause of the matching scene dying. Possibly the ridiculous bad times which should most likely be looked at.
The people who did not return when the Global login was implemented were clearly all players who hacked.
Some even admitted to not wanting to return because they couldn't use whatever mod or hack they used at the time.
The players who have been banned recently DESERVE to be banned.
The older bans should possibly be reduced or they should be unbanned.
One thing that I do believe should be implemented and is so for most other games is that once a new hack is found, it should be patched into the game and rendered mute.
For example, the constant speed hackers would not be able to use the same program that they have been using for years now.
As for multiple accounts, the people who have done so ALL knew what they were doing and should be banned.
If there is a language barrier problem then perhaps a new home screen with language select.
I think this community NEEDS the Global Login but that it's too extreme and needs to be taken down a notch.
Removing the Global Login is NOT the answer to the problems the community is having.
Aside from that, I'm sure there can be a way for people to help Jitspoe out with texturing or whatever needs to be done to 'clean' up this game a little more and make it more presentable.
As long as it doesn't involve a HUGE graphics enhancement as one of the appeals to this game is that it is playable on old computers.
I believe that arguments about the Global Login can be thrown back and forth but considering I used to be against it, and am now supportive of it after much thought. I think the points I have made should be taken into consideration.
I did this very quickly because I'm about to go out, I am willing to clarify anything if I do not explain it properly.
-Morbid
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mostly mooseballs
most facts are inaccurate, most assumptions are made to prove your point, but that doesn't make them true.
Every time this 'game is ded' thread spawns again I count the players on serverbrowser in the evening. Over the past years the number has been 100-150.
Clean the banlist, because multi accounts isn't so much of a serious issue? Yeah, the ban isnt so long either. 8 days, was it? Hardly a scene killer. The players who are involved in the matching scene and decide to hack nevertheless so much more disrespect towards the scene.
GLS is awesome as fuqkkk. Wait until jitspoe gets around to implement all the cool features you can have with it. Yeah, it might be in 10 years, but i'm sure as a honeybadger that this game isn't dead by then.
You talk about this game not being in this 'century'. Was it this century on 2003-2008. I guess you all agree with eachother than dp was AWESOME BACK THEN.
q3 isn't dead even now. Besides ql people still play cpma.
and one last thing. I know I didn't compile my sentences as good as this was my thesis or some excrement, but I don't feel the need for it. I know I'm right.
Instead of meddling 'ranting' in phorums why don't you start promoting the scene by yourself? Create a tournament, ask every player you see to participate. Im sure you can do such an easy task. or if you are into comput0rs and stuff maybe you can help with programming the game. Just ask terrorist/viciouz/jitspoe where you should start and what are the terms to get your work ported to the game. (i believe bono did none of that, he just created a menu, but it cant(?) be ported to the game)
that is all, was up all night to finish some excrement for school and now im gonna go to school, so if i didnt make much sense, i blame it on coffee and lack of sl33p.
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My Speed USA server logs show that, during the past 30 days, I had players from 6,635 distinct IP addresses using 6,031 different names.
Of course, one player can use multiple names or play at different computers. Even so, that seems like a lot of activity when viewed over time.
Two interesting points:
* About 2,000 names were "noname" or "newbie";
* Almost 2,000 names played just once.
I think it's a marketing issue, not the game itself. Here are a few ideas that might be quickly implemented:
1. On www.digitalpaint.org, add a "Home" page with a "Welcome" area at the top with a game description, documentation links, and links to some of the better videos. Place the "Download" area below that, and keep the "News" on its own separate page.
2. Create a single user manual with everything from "downloading" to "installation" to "setup" to "DPlogin" to "clans" to "servers." Use the manual from a successful commercial game as the model. Make a PDF version too.
3. Create a "Newcomers" forum where noobish questions can be supportively answered by knowledgeable players.
4. Develop and encourage a public server grading system. For example, add * at the end of a server's name for "Easy" through **** for "It's gonna hurt!"
LongShot
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You guys always come up with "clear the banlist" etc. Who gives a intercourse people who break the rules - they are poor and can gtfo.
Clear it now, let them all play and we have the same problems soon. Look at all the 12y old czechs f.e., a few of them have around 30 accounts.
They destroyed such a good game cause all the older players went away cause they don`t want to play hackers/multies.
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This proposal was rejected as many times as it was discussed. I don't see why it should be different this time.
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thought its time for me to show how i feel
idont feel like playing anymore either, not cos of the game the game is fun but god last 15 matches i had were such a meddling bs some kids just sitting in base, best example the last qehs 2on2 cup like 5 weeks ago.. !!! i miss the old times with zimt,edge,henkka etc when playing was fun and interesting.. now its just crying, camping and the most annoying thing the meddling tiemap, try to get a decent tiemap with some czechs.
dont really know what helps to get the game more active but i hope something gets done =/
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I played this game back in 1957 and it ain't dead yet!
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I think advertisement and easier accessibility is the only way for this game to get going again.
Taking my favorite ideas from the posts above and putting them together....
I think this game needs more than a read me file (no one reads those) the main menu should have an enticing menu that says, "want to join a clan and be in the matching community?" and under which would have all the details/links to irc along with a FAQ section on irc.
Next, i think this game needs to have an easier way to become a "registered player" people want to download the game, play it and that's that. they dont want to have to see "go to the official dp website to register your name" and after they register they read "now you must wait while someone authenticates your account" it's a total turn off. Perhaps registering can be made to seem less painless?
as for the ban list... keep it the way it is :)
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Yeah, clearing banlist won't do jack excrement. Those cheaters have probably for the most part forgotten about the game in the first place.
Integration of creating an account into game (and not just saying: visit dplogin.com) would be a big step when it comes to accessibility. Also, fully functional server browser (with searching, filtering, denoting password protected servers, etc.) is pretty much mandatory for ANY successful online game.
Also, how about a nifty idea of assigning the name of created profile (even local one) automatically as initial in-game nickname? You could change it later, if you wanted to, but it would eliminate newbies and nonames plague.
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I've never had any problems with DPLogin, create an account on site and then auto-login when you open the game... i'm not grasping the problem with this.
Clearing the ban list is idiocy. Might as well make a sign: Hackers Welcomed. If you want to hack, quit this game and go somewhere else to hack all you want.
Don't cheat = don't get banned, Cheat = Ban ...simple.
As for generating a new, more active community... advertising does seem like a good idea. Word of Mouth, tell your friends about it. That's how i got started playing. It is going to be tough to find gamers interested in such an old fps... but there is something so basic, fluid, and a bit addictive about dp that, i think, if new people just give it a try they may enjoy it too. Just have to get the game out there.
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Cool apparently no one read past remove the ban list.
I'm not for allowing everyone run around hacking. My point was that there shouldn't need to be a global banning system that Jitspoe and a committee have to regulate. My point was that banning should be done server-side, like every other server based game in existence. I don't care about whose on the ban list right now. I just don't think there should BE a ban list.
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Another rant for people who only play online paintball versus REAL paintball. There is no difference folks, if you have a good team you will all rush the other team and take the flag. If you have a GREAT team you have teamwork where some rush .. some snipe .. some camp .. and some are sent out as decoys to flush out the "enemy" (for those who never played real paintball capture the flag .. there has NEVER been a game where the team abandons their flag they always have a few "campers" and nobody ever fusses or complains on the real field like on here about it.)
I am guessing, there are less than 10% REAL paintball players here. I have played since 1986 myself. Want a good PR or a good way to publicise the game for new people. I have many suggestions to offer other than what has been offered here over and over again.
This software might be 10 years out of date and old to most playing still, but to someone who has never played it before its just as new as Duke Nukem Forever or Rage.
Take lazer tag for example. I guarantee you give me a set of the old style Q Zar (1986 Infra Red systems with DOS systems running it) to set up an arena and I will DOMINATE against any competitors out there made today. It is not the equipment you have its how you sell your gameplay and how you promote it.
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Yeah, clearing banlist won't do jack excrement. Those cheaters have probably for the most part forgotten about the game in the first place.
I haven't forgotten about it, i got more ban time than i should have. But that's up to Jitspoe to never fix. Anyway, I miss playing with a select few people and trying new settings in PUGs. Then again only about 3 of those people still play and no one is ever up for new settings ever. God forbid you not be able to line and spray down everywhere or not be able to slip n' slide or jump at 150 MPH because that's totally cool.
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7pm CET saturday evening 134 people online in servers
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its funny. the committee thinks they're doing the game a favor when they're actually killing it. I can bet anything that if the the game got a new developement team and restarted from scratch with a fresh banlist that nearly almost all the players (veterans) that were in the matching scene would come back. One man (Jitspoe) cant run the game himself updating it every other month with tiny updates that no one really cares about. like myles said "nothing to lose" so go for it.
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the committee thinks they're doing the game a favor when they're actually killing it.
This is probably going off-topic pretty quickly now, but could you explain me how the committee is killing the game? No flaming, but I think you have a wrong idea about what the committee is supposed to do.
Also, if you think you can do better, I'll give you my spot.
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Ill gladly take that spot from you. And its not what i'm saying. its what im asking. what have you guys actually done to correct the game in anyway besides voting upon bantimes in a poll. and the committee is chosen by vote of who is already on the committee so it could be rather easy to just vote in one of your euro buddies now that theres more than one of you on the comittee. there has been no graphical updates or anything rather than the hr4 texture packs that jitspoe has created and the dpmodmenu that bono has done. only few recognizeable details that i've noticed about the game. but how about you give an idea of what the committee is supposed to do.
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but how about you give an idea of what the committee is supposed to do.
I quote the words of Jitspoe:
Committee Purpose:
Investigate matters, such as rule violations, and determine the appropriate action based on evidence gathered.
The committee was solely installed to help out Jitspoe with sorting out the mess rule violators created (which means that without people who violate the generally accepted "rules", a committee wouldn't even be needed!!). Webhead created a thread where the effectiveness of the committee was discussed and feedback could be given a while ago: click (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=22790.0). A few ideas to improve our current way of working were brought up, but Jitspoe (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=22790.msg212759#msg212759) ruled out most of them. As the committee is just there to support Jitspoe, who are we to discuss his opinion?
there has been no graphical updates or anything rather than the hr4 texture packs that jitspoe has created and the dpmodmenu that bono has done. only few recognizeable details that i've noticed about the game.
I agree this is regrettable, but after reading the above, I hope you agree this is not part of the committee work.
I'll probably get boring for repeating myself over and over again, but I still think only people who contribute themselves can criticize the latest improvements in the game. Therefore, if you think this game needs improvements, either help or don't mention it at all.
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Well the entire matching scene is gone and there really is no need for a committee anymore now is there. if the cheat detection system is so great. then it'll keep banning the newbies that come around with the same old speed hacks that they usually have. or am i wrong and the committee is needed to vote on a bantime for those newbies as well. and really only the people who improve the game should talk about it? what happened to "The Customer knows best" the players are the customers here.
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what happened to "The Customer knows best" the players are the customers here.
I can't remember ever paying for playing DP2. So are we considered "customers", or are we considered "free users of a technology developed by others"?
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So then can you tell me why my ban was voted so high pvtjimmy? Because last time I checked that high of a ban was for distributors. Unless ban times are now just based off whether the committee likes the person or not.
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It's based off of whoever votes first... :P
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I can't remember ever paying for playing DP2. So are we considered "customers", or are we considered "free users of a technology developed by others"?
What makes you think that only paying for something makes you a customer.
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What makes you think that only paying for something makes you a customer.
The definition of the word "customer".
customer
A person, company, or other entity which buys goods and services produced by another person, company, or other entity.
Random sources:
http://www.investorwords.com5877/customer.html#ixzz1aET0e4TO
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/customer
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/customer
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the word "buying" implies that paying is part of the process to become a customer.
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It's based off of whoever votes first... :P
So then my ban was just someone that didn't like me correct?
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I have no idea I wasn't in committee to see why.
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Think you got 1000+ because you were involved in this myers+lovers try to kill the game to show their inet balls thingy.
Committee does not vote on ban times for hackers fyi thats all jitspoe.
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Think you got 1000+ because you were involved in this myers+lovers try to kill the game to show their inet balls thingy.
Committee does not vote on ban times for hackers fyi thats all jitspoe.
Yeah i was on when they were doing that true, but i didn't make a thread trying to kill the game. I simply made a humorous thread to admit i was cheating. Nothing telling anyone to stop playing or anything like that. Lame.
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And if i do get unbanned which i highly doubt will happen, i will be starting practice sessions for the newer players teaching them things about the match scene, getting them involved with other programs like mirc vent stuff like that and i obviously will be needing help with this and i will select some people to do so.
i have it planned out and stuff because i got nothing better to do then sit on my ass and think about dp all day and i e-mailed jitspoe about it aswell to get his idea on it. i know people have tried this in the past but i got a different idea on how to do it. if i get unbanned i will make a thread on it showing people the times of the sessions, irc chan, vent and clans involved.
OH and the reason i went and made a new fourms account is because my other one CheMiCaL got banned and never unbanned. and the reason is Trying to help you? and i didn't understand why, so if you do ban this one please unban the other. and please tell me if you like my idea of trying toget the community active again. consider this as my Community service. which is well overdue.
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Hmm. I like the idea chemical
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So then can you tell me why my ban was voted so high pvtjimmy? Because last time I checked that high of a ban was for distributors. Unless ban times are now just based off whether the committee likes the person or not.
I think Delphi meanwhile answered that question.
As the committee was not involved to your bans, I can only assume why your bantimes aren't updated yet. The only thing I would advise you if you want your bantime to be looked at, is to PM Jitspoe with all details you can offer him.
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i would help with that to but i uninstalled and reinstalled dp and deleted that stupid cheat then defragged my computer so there is no way its still on my comp.
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Another thing and maybe it´s just me. I am bored of playing same 10 maps over and over. I know it´s up to server owners to decide what maps will be played, but I think that if we have like 3000+ maps and at least 200 of them are playable we don´t have to play beta/pgptrain_b4 all the time. The thing I find the most enjoyable is learning how to play new maps. I simply don´t see the reason why we should disregard other maps with fairly good gameplay and decent graphics.
And it´s easy to say the game is not dead as blaa said because there are like 150 players playing at the moment. But these players are playing on Speed servers mainly and you can see it´s hard to find a normal server with at least 8 players. On euro scene it´s solely KAS server and I believe it´s even worse in America. If you can remember times with three full OTB servers and one Qehs plus like three crappy polish servers and no less than three american servers with 10+ people, you are just trying to vindicate nonsense.
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aircrew thats where i would come in(if i got unbanned) i would try to convince some of the speed players to get mirc vent and let me and chalk train them teach them the game is more then pubbing. i would even take euros just to help this game get a better matching scene. once they realize how fun/ good the matching scene is they will start telling people/friends about this game and it will improve activity wise.
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+1
Another thing and maybe it´s just me. I am bored of playing same 10 maps over and over. I know it´s up to server owners to decide what maps will be played, but I think that if we have like 3000+ maps and at least 200 of them are playable we don´t have to play beta/pgptrain_b4 all the time. The thing I find the most enjoyable is learning how to play new maps. I simply don´t see the reason why we should disregard other maps with fairly good gameplay and decent graphics.
And it´s easy to say the game is not dead as blaa said because there are like 150 players playing at the moment. But these players are playing on Speed servers mainly and you can see it´s hard to find a normal server with at least 8 players. On euro scene it´s solely KAS server and I believe it´s even worse in America. If you can remember times with three full OTB servers and one Qehs plus like three crappy polish servers and no less than three american servers with 10+ people, you are just trying to vindicate nonsense.
ohhhh the nostalgy.
And someone ban this what the ____ dude.
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And someone ban this what the ____ dude.
yea, because he has definitely made this forum hell with his 6 posts...
one thing the community members can do to help : stop being a**holes
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one thing the community members can do to help : stop being a**holes
Thought that's why Chemical/Myers/Cyntex etc are banned. ZING... LIKEmAJOKE.
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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no rick you're wrong, there you go assuming again. you just hear stupid rumors, i wasn't in it to kill the game at all. the only reason i did it was 1. i knew they would get banned then who would i play with? 2. i thought i would never want to come back to this game. and 3. i'v never used a wallhack and wanted to see what it was like. i never thought of actually helping this game get more active then just ranting about how dead it was. i was just simply asking jitspoe to see if i can help get the newer players to the matching scene.
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Thought that's why Chemical/Myers/Cyntex etc are banned. ZING... LIKEmAJOKE.
nahh those guys are only on their second offenses because this one tool distributed modified maps a few years ago.
is my jokez funnay?
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no rick you're wrong, there you go assuming again. you just hear stupid rumors, i wasn't in it to kill the game at all. the only reason i did it was 1. i knew they would get banned then who would i play with? 2. i thought i would never want to come back to this game. and 3. i'v never used a wallhack and wanted to see what it was like. i never thought of actually helping this game get more active then just ranting about how dead it was. i was just simply asking jitspoe to see if i can help get the newer players to the matching scene.
I SAID 'LIKEmAJOKE'.
nahh those guys are only on their second offenses because this one tool distributed modified maps a few years ago.
is my jokez funnay?
Only distributed to Maierz brew. But naice joke, i lyk your style!
(http://mwolk.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/adsense-banned.jpg)
If you liked it then you should of put a ring on it bro.
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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If you liked it then you should of put a ring on it bro.
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If you liked it then you should of put a ring on it bro.
who's that to?
This is probably going off-topic pretty quickly now, but could you explain me how the committee is killing the game?
the committee leaks are definitely not helping out the game, not to call anyone out jimmy...
dramaa switchhh
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who's that to?
the committee leaks are definitely not helping out the game, not to call anyone out jimmy...
dramaa switchhh
Werk it out brew.
What's wrong with committee leaks? :(
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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Alright, rick you're just way too funny, so on a more serious note:
It's kinda funny how when Myers played you always were like: omg ily! - and now he's banned you act like he ruined the community. He helped more than most, he actually rarely even trash talked. YOU created cheats, taught people how to make them (Cuso, who's banned now cause of YOU) and taught other people/gave other people. Don't pretend you didn't. You can deny but we both know, Ride? Skitzo? Navyseal? Yeah, you're not perfect, you just had committee members fighting for your deserved ban, while the others don't have that for their undeserved lengths.
Pvtjimmy: stop acting all high and mighty. THATS the problem with this community. Everyone thinks their top poo, but they aren't. You think somebody saying: LOL or NOOB is bad, but you guys harass every noob on forums, you act like a double post is murder. You blame everyone else, and PvtJimmy leaked for almost a full year to Myers, great committee member! Yes, we have logs sir. You were his biggest leak (I actually asked him, so i'm sure he'll tell anyone).
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woah why am i being brought in this chalk, calm your balls.
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1. oh, that's chalk??? ...
2. Yes, we have logs sir.
I don't know which is funnier!!! LOL!
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Im down to help chem. Even tho you 3x better than me. Id love to get this matching scene going again. Get er done and chalk lmfao
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Vague you're retired remember.
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Alright, rick you're just way too funny, so on a more serious note:
It's kinda funny how when Myers played you always were like: omg ily! - and now he's banned you act like he ruined the community. He helped more than most, he actually rarely even trash talked. YOU created cheats, taught people how to make them (Cuso, who's banned now cause of YOU) and taught other people/gave other people. Don't pretend you didn't. You can deny but we both know, Ride? Skitzo? Navyseal? Yeah, you're not perfect, you just had committee members fighting for your deserved ban, while the others don't have that for their undeserved lengths.
Pvtjimmy: stop acting all high and mighty. THATS the problem with this community. Everyone thinks their top poo, but they aren't. You think somebody saying: LOL or NOOB is bad, but you guys harass every noob on forums, you act like a double post is murder. You blame everyone else, and PvtJimmy leaked for almost a full year to Myers, great committee member! Yes, we have logs sir. You were his biggest leak (I actually asked him, so i'm sure he'll tell anyone).
Yeah, I do like the guy. Doesn't mean that getting his friends to hack with him to ruin the american match scene was right. Yes I created a modified map file that I gave to Maierz, uh ohs. Haha, really? You think I taught Cuso? The guy that programmed his own wallhack? Haha, what ever you think ;) I never taught anyone how to, and I never gave the map file to anyone else. I didn't even like Navyseal so why would I give it to him, lol? Wait, wait, how do we both know? I don't even remember you being around back then, so why would I tell you that I gave it to all these people? I'm guessing people told you that I did? Ah, do you believe everything people tell you? lols. I had committee members fighting for my ban time because it was unjustified, I heard nearly everyone thought so.
PS. I don't run the committee sir if that is what you were implying.
PPS. Not everything people tell you is true.
PPS. Sorry that you're banned.
This is fun :)
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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Remember that one time you and I got banned Rick? Yeah that was cool.
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Remember that one time you and I got banned Rick? Yeah that was cool.
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Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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shockoi? Remember we made that map. Best map ever.
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shockoi? Remember we made that map. Best map ever.
Haha yeah, and oddjoboi. Was working on pbcup_pforestoi, totally forgot about that haha.
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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Good Times.
Vague you retired, why are you still on here posting from your phone. You are going to do a ton of work from there!
Chalk is already unbanned, he just wants his butt buddies back.
Skitzo is cool so if Chalk is already unbanned, you should do the same with him.
Myers and Chemical wanted to kill the American Scene, and since Chemical has nothing to do better with his life he wants to play the game again and continue his DP legacy.
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Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
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what nub? i didn't go in it to kill the game at all, in fact i was the last one to decide to hack. so get your facts straight. i did it because all of them were going to get banned and then i would be left out with no one to play with. now i want to help bring this games matching scene back and if i get a no from jitspoe i will leave.
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you get a no from me
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you're not important, i meant it for Jits not you.
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I haven't forgotten about it, i got more ban time than i should have. But that's up to Jitspoe to never fix. Anyway, I miss playing with a select few people and trying new settings in PUGs. Then again only about 3 of those people still play and no one is ever up for new settings ever. God forbid you not be able to line and spray down everywhere or not be able to slip n' slide or jump at 150 MPH because that's totally cool.
Yep.
I wouldn't clear the entire ban list but I'd review a couple cases, skitzo's case for example...
I don't understand why juiicy and cyntex have a 3 year ban for a first time offence with no chance of getting halved even though they admitted. Some of them had a bigger bantime than jeongwa who hacked, distributed and evaded multiple times (3, if I'm not wrong). Anyway, it's not my place to judge the committee's decision.
@Mofo: Can't say the committee kills the game... They hardly do anything ;) Just messin'
Think you got 1000+ because you were involved in this myers+lovers try to kill the game to show their inet balls thingy.
Committee does not vote on ban times for hackers fyi thats all jitspoe.
We all hacked, that's a fact. We all deserve to be banned, that's a fact. But if MyeRs and maybe 2 others decided to kill the game it's not good enough of a reason to give everyone a 3 year ban for hacking. It's unfair mostly because there are cases that deserve having more time than these guys, and they didn't. Already named these cases many times before, so won't bother again.
I think Delphi meanwhile answered that question.
As the committee was not involved to your bans, I can only assume why your bantimes aren't updated yet. The only thing I would advise you if you want your bantime to be looked at, is to PM Jitspoe with all details you can offer him.
Been there, done that. Nothing happenned so far so it's useless to think you'll be unbanned skitzo :)
Alright, rick you're just way too funny, so on a more serious note:
It's kinda funny how when Myers played you always were like: omg ily! - and now he's banned you act like he ruined the community. He helped more than most, he actually rarely even trash talked. YOU created cheats, taught people how to make them (Cuso, who's banned now cause of YOU) and taught other people/gave other people. Don't pretend you didn't. You can deny but we both know, Ride? Skitzo? Navyseal? Yeah, you're not perfect, you just had committee members fighting for your deserved ban, while the others don't have that for their undeserved lengths.
Pretty much says it all I think.
Wrong to assume that everyone that hacked will hack again.
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"Wrong to assume that everyone that hacked will hack again."
Oh okay. So you say I should assume that if you hacked once you will never hack again? OH OKAY, BUDDY.
How about:
All hackers get the intercourse away from this game? Seriously, these bantimes have proven to work only on handful of times. I mean, only handful of players have hacked and after their bantime they have stopped hacking and continued to play fairly. Most of the banned players either never come back to the game, or eventually hack again. So what the hell? I say: aimbot/wallhack = permanent bad, speedhack/multi account = 1st offense 8 days, second offence permanent ban.
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i had something smart to say but i cant remember atm.
maybe it was something about multiaccount ban beeing stupid idk
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Maybe a good idea would be a probation period for those that hacked. So, they appeal their ban, then have to spend a few months or something on probation, where if they cheat again in any way, they get perm banned (this sort of system would probably only be implemented to those that have 3 year bans).
You cant assume that those who have hacked will or will not hack again, but I can understand why some would want to give them another chance. Some people do learn their lesson, so perhaps the rules should be more lenient to cater for these people (not to say everyone learns their lesson, but benefit of the doubt etc...)
Unban Skitzo. hes a lad! (my logic is infallible)
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Estonian, where in my sentence did I say "will never hack again"? I just said you can't actually say for sure they will hack again... The example of that is some people get unbanned.
All I'm saying is review some of the bantimes since they're ridiculous, in both ways... Some have bans that are too low and some have bantimes incredibly high for what they've done.
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All I'm saying that banning hackers shouldn't be something we have to put thought to. It's easy. Do not meddling break the rules. Or if you do, accept the punishment.
Probation period? Will just create unnecessary work and a honest player like me will never benefit from that. I would like the developers of this game to use the little time they have to more important things.
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Probation period just sounds like a midway between total unbanning and perm banning for players with lengthy bans.
Perhaps a probation committee could be formed? And I dont think developers would be associated with this sort of work..but youre right, it does create more hassle. Just a suggestion :)
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This got derailed a lot faster than I thought it would.
Can we all just pull the sticks out of our arses and shut it with the whole banning argument. My point isn't that people should be unbanned to promote activity, it was that the power of banning people should be shifted from jitspoe and a committee to server owners. I don't know how this turned into a giant UNBANMEPLOX thread, it's really quite pathetic. If you don't want to be banned, don't hack. Myself and the rest of the community managed to.
The more important points which no one seemed to notice was the inefficiency of dplogin and having only Jitspoe work on the game.
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Yeah, I do like the guy. Doesn't mean that getting his friends to hack with him to ruin the american match scene was right. Yes I created a modified map file that I gave to Maierz, uh ohs. Haha, really? You think I taught Cuso? The guy that programmed his own wallhack? Haha, what ever you think ;) I never taught anyone how to, and I never gave the map file to anyone else. I didn't even like Navyseal so why would I give it to him, lol? Wait, wait, how do we both know? I don't even remember you being around back then, so why would I tell you that I gave it to all these people? I'm guessing people told you that I did? Ah, do you believe everything people tell you? lols. I had committee members fighting for my ban time because it was unjustified, I heard nearly everyone thought so.
PS. I don't run the committee sir if that is what you were implying.
PPS. Not everything people tell you is true.
PPS. Sorry that you're banned.
This is fun :)
Skitzo doesn't deserve his ban time, his ban should be at least re-discussed.
-I wasn't implying that you ran the committee. I'm saying the committee members liked you, but the rest of us don't have that luxury.
-I was around back then ( not as a multi, just different names)
- If you gave the hack to one person, did you think it wasn't going to spread. The first time everyone got banned was your fault, just like Myers is being blamed for all of us hacking this time. ( I'm not saying Myers distributed, but everyone is saying he made us all hack)
-No one was trying to ruin the match scene.We wanted to try hacking, so we did. It wasn't an attempt to try to make Jitspoe look bad or mess up his game. "Ah, do you believe everything people tell you? lols"
This game is dead
It's not dead, we still have people trying to match.Unfortunately, we have people like you who send out 3s, and then when the only other american team responds, you say "i'm not playing a hacker", so we are forced to wait until your period so that we can match. If jitspoe thought I was going to hack again, I wouldn't have been unbanned...
yayy drama = activity!!!!!
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OH HaI, ISH MYERS. Yeah, CheMiCaL msg'd me on facebook showing me he's trying to get unbanned. Btw, making forum accounts are impossible now, another great thing about this game! Let's add in stupid questions with '42' as the answer to help noobiez get into this game!!! I mis-wrote my fake email the first time, so then tried to do it again, but it wouldn't let me because it was on the same computer, guess you can't have multiple forum accounts now? Even if the previous wasn't validated.
ANYWAYS duggas, I don't plan on continuely posting or trying to fight to get myself unbanned in this thread. I emailed Jitspoe everything I needed to, whether he decides to lower the ban or not is his choice. Judging about this new forum account creating hastle, I don't see him wanting this game to expand much. But the lack of mottivation is expected, it's been long enough and this game provides nothing but hastle to him.
I just basically want to clear up a few things,
1) The 'hacking' group that all got 1024 days didn't have the intention of "OMG LETS KILL THE GAME" - and for those who don't believe me, CheMiCaL got the cheats later then most of the people, so I'd doubt he would be a part of wanting to kill the game - but it was basically people moving on from the game and wanting to hack. Not going to lie, it was fun. We did it for about a week, but after there being about 1 cheater in every clan it become boring and we had the mass-turn in. (btw, there's still at least 1 person who is still not banned who used them, were they truly detectable?).
So basically, we just did it to hack. We didn't try and prove anything by cheating, we were already established in the community, and we didn't try to kill the community by cheating. That being said, we knew very well that it would make the game a lot less active, but it was just 'our group' who cheated. The distributor didn't spread it out of the group. The entire group was planning on quitting for a 'while' anyways, so yeah. I don't really know where all these "they tried to kill the game" assumptions came from.
Now to some comments in this thread,
1) Chemical, posting here wont help your case at all. Even if jitspoe read the forums (which let's be serious, he doesn't have the time to read a thread like this), your 'proposal?' wont make him suddenly think you're going to help this community. You're not providing him with anything special, you're just showing you want back in. That's the one thing Rick had over most others with a high ban, he could map and stuff, which he did while being banned showing he put time and effort while being banned. (He still served like what? 300 days?)
2) Rick, if you only distributed to me that'd be saying Cusoman HAPPENED to learn how to do it, as well as Navyseal and others at the EXACT same time? Unless you're saying I gave them out? Kinda odd. I don't want to bring stuff up from 3 years ago though, but there's more to that story than you say, considering you weren't my actual distributor.
3) Stop saying 'youre banned' to Chalk(Myles), cause he's not. He's the only one out of the 'hacking group' that got unbanned. He's currently playing digital paintball 2.0.
4) PvtJimmy leaked me a lot of committee information. I always lied to flip (since he seemed to be the only one who cared about finding out) by saying I got it from everyone, little peices then I put it together. But yeah, PvtJimmy was my longest-lasting leak. Shep never leaked me info, lied about that too. Heck, Idias hardly even leaked me anything which was disapointing. So yeah, there's the leak who told me a lot.
5) I agree with everyone who says not to unban hackers. That is, ban them before their ban lengths are up. However, I don't agree with 'special treatment' type situations, where certain people get lowered/highered ban times. Set standards, and use those standards. Players should never get their bans lowered or removed, they cheated, they get their ban length. But, when it's an undeserved time, than it becomes something personal which is dumb. If this game can't actively play without hackers coming back, than it's safe to say it's dead soon. It's had a good run. (The note about unfair ban lengths is towards the group that got banned recently, since most of them don't deserve that high.)
I can't think of anything else to say about this, but basically of the people who got banned some of them don't deserve it. Juiicy and CheMiCaL cheated later than most of us, and only cheated because everyone else was. They do not deserve to be banned, same goes for Skitzo who was just on teamspeak with us all and we told him we were using them. Cyntex distributed to everyone (as far as I know) and deserves to stay banned. Riddick spammed cheats all over IRC afterwards, and deserves to stay banned. Who else cheated with the group.... oh, Idias definitely doesn't deserve to stay banned, it was the guys first offence. So Idias, Chemical, Juiicy and Skitzo deserve their ban times relooked at.
I'd argue for myself, but unlike the others I don't plan on coming back. I have a new laptop and I'm at university. If I wanted to play I could've. I was planning on cheating before going off to uni for a while, as I started to get bored of the game, (Which is probably where this 'they want to kill the game!!!' idea came from). Me cheating before I quit was planned, it just happened that Cyntex happened to offer them on teamspeak to everyone. Everyone else mentioned followed in. So I'm completely fine with my ban time, and I don't expect anything done about it. But jitspoe only responded to 1 of the people who got banned, that being Chalk, in about what, 2 months? which shows he has no intentions of lowering most peoples.
-- I'm sorry Alec for continuing to derail your thread. I actually agree with you, after seeing how annoying making a forum account is I would've never played a game where making accounts are this annoying. (I wonder if reg accounts changed). But sadly nothing will get done, Jitspoe definitely isn't motivated to work on this game, when was the last build released?
Oh and Rick, why do you only say Skitzo? Because he's your friend unlike the others? Chemical was known as a rager, so you don't like him, but the fact that him and Skitzo were the same in the way they cheated (and they both have previous offences) why Skitzo? Why not juiicy? Chemical? Idias? - this is another problem with the community. Just like the people on forums as Chalk previously said, they rage newbies as much as any player did. A lot of people think their so high and mighty on forums trying to put down 'new' or 'younger' players. It's the same as raging in game.
Oh, and goodjob to people like Superman who are still contributing to the game and helping it. It`s players like you that have kept the game going for this long.
Peace out DP2, if you're going to say certain people deserve to be unbanned, base it off the situation, not their personalities. thanks folks. I`m not rereading so if parts dont make sense whatevz duggas
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This is getting to intence
And yes this is the "allmighty" ToXiiC ( just kidding )
What this game needs is a Proper way of banning and Making acc... for example The Forums acc EXTERMELY difficault to create one, dont say i m haddicapped, "Whats the anws to life universe and etc.. 42???" was it me or was this question just plainly impossible for a nub to figure out.
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and Letz thing over the Ban times 1st and foremost. Is that a Just and fair ban time or plainly done for Revange?
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-I wasn't implying that you ran the committee. I'm saying the committee members liked you, but the rest of us don't have that luxury.
-I was around back then ( not as a multi, just different names)
- If you gave the hack to one person, did you think it wasn't going to spread. The first time everyone got banned was your fault, just like Myers is being blamed for all of us hacking this time. ( I'm not saying Myers distributed, but everyone is saying he made us all hack)
-No one was trying to ruin the match scene.We wanted to try hacking, so we did. It wasn't an attempt to try to make Jitspoe look bad or mess up his game. "Ah, do you believe everything people tell you? lols"
It's not dead, we still have people trying to match.Unfortunately, we have people like you who send out 3s, and then when the only other american team responds, you say "i'm not playing a hacker", so we are forced to wait until your period so that we can match. If jitspoe thought I was going to hack again, I wouldn't have been unbanned...
yayy drama = activity!!!!!
I'm sorry that I was liked by the committee, my bad.
So you were around back then, but if you were in mine and cuso's sex station, you'd know that he taught me how to use/make modified maps. But eh, you're just guessing that.
So you're saying Myers distributed? Ah! Thanks for that.
Seeing as your buddies made threads about themselves hacking, I think that would be kind of embarrasing for Jitspoe, wouldn't you?
HAI MAIERz
You know Cusoman taught me lols. I never liked Navyseal, I'd never even teach him how to strafe let alone hack. I gave you the modified map, brew, don't know where you're going with this.
Oh and I'm saying to unban Skitzo because I want to see if his video making could maybe extend to making a trailer for the game.
I only read the parts with my name it, so I'm sorry if my post doesn't make sense.
Anyway, I actually can't wait to be playing with/against you guys again, just getting some amusement while @ school.
Gl.
Edit: Who is toxic?
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So you're saying Myers distributed? Ah! Thanks for that.
Seeing as your buddies made threads about themselves hacking, I think that would be kind of embarrasing for Jitspoe, wouldn't you?
1.No.
2. We were done hacking, so we turned our selves in rather than wait to be detected. If we had kept matching and then we got caught, people would have thought we were hacking during our legit matches.
And toxic is a player who was banned shortly after us. I don't think that has anything to do with his post. He's part of the community.
Back to saving the game:
"Who is toxic?" - I know you probably didn't mean it this way Rick, but I see this kind of thing a lot. A lot of times people will say something like that in order show the person that they are a "nobody". This drives new people away from the game, because they think that we are a close, unwelcoming community. I had a problem with people from 3iob/CC/vF being jerks to me when I first tried to get into the matching scene.
One thing that helped a lot was training clans. The old players got matches with us, and watched us play/let us watch and learn from them. I started out in er33t juniors and then eventually went to Ij-training. Those were the best times I had on this game.
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1.No.
2. We were done hacking, so we turned our selves in rather than wait to be detected. If we had kept matching and then we got caught, people would have thought we were hacking during our legit matches.
And toxic is a player who was banned shortly after us. I don't think that has anything to do with his post. He's part of the community.
Back to saving the game:
"Who is toxic?" - I know you probably didn't mean it this way Rick, but I see this kind of thing a lot. A lot of times people will say something like that in order show the person that they are a "nobody". This drives new people away from the game, because they think that we are a close, unwelcoming community. I had a problem with people from 3iob/CC/vF being jerks to me when I first tried to get into the matching scene.
One thing that helped a lot was training clans. The old players got matches with us, and watched us play/let us watch and learn from them. I started out in er33t juniors and then eventually went to Ij-training. Those were the best times I had on this game.
1. You said 'if you gave the hack to one person, did you think it wasn't going to spread'. I gave it to Myers, aren't you implying he spread it.
2. Sounds good.
I didn't mean it in a bad way chalk, thought I'd just get to the point, who is he.
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look at my chan on youtube!
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Who is ToXiiC a well know question asked in the commitee which was already answerd now letz get on to better thing shall we?
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Thnx chalk i appericate the help. I had hacked to see if i was going to get detected which i did after like 1 month
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ohai. shotties copying a post from here, they're long enough for an essay.
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ill come outta retirement just to see this game prosper.
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So like i said before to jitspoe, many people have been given a secound chance but jitpsoe hasnet even given a chance to the active players that accutaly want thier time redcued to the recent act that were convicted of. What i dont understand is was the ban time a FAIR giving or just a REVANGE, and if so it was a fair trail for the FEW people that havent gotten banned why cant they get thier BAN TIME reduced or even taken the ban time of like CHALK was
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So like i said before to jitspoe, many people have been given a secound chance but jitpsoe hasnet even given a chance to the active players that accutaly want thier time redcued to the recent act that were convicted of. What i dont understand is was the ban time a FAIR giving or just a REVANGE, and if so it was a fair trail for the FEW people that havent gotten banned why cant they get thier BAN TIME reduced or even taken the ban time of like CHALK was
lol
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try getting banned on any other game...
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where you can make a new account immediately and play again?
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Jusu most games are account bans, rather than hardware bans.
And surprisingly, while playing Crossfire my teammate cheated and got banned and well it made DP look super strict. First offence is 3 days, and it doubles from there. But it does say on your account if you've previously cheated which affects getting into most teams. But again, it's account banning.
I realize account banning wouldn't work here at all for obvious reason's, but just felt like pointing out the fact that most games make you "restart" your rep/character etc.. instead of removing the cheater from the game.
Steam games you just have to get a new steam, which leads to purchasing the games again (dependant on the amount of games you have) but again, it doesn't remove you from the community, it makes you lose all current reputation/progress etc.. and restart.
A way this could be worked into DP (You can't change the banning style, but by "making them do something" to come back) could be making some kind of say... community service, dependant on your amount of days. It makes the community know you truly want back, and shows you're willing to help. These could be things such as, successfully making and releasing a map, creating How-To guides(like what Chem is doing), etc...
EDIT: Nevermind that last paragraph. It made sense writing it when I was looking at the "group" that all got 1024 days, but if bantimes are the set standard of 32x2x2x2 and so on then there's no real insentive to need to. (Unless you're up to like 250days, but those are like 4th offenders which don't deserve to be back). So I guess this only really works if it's like, perma-ban all the time, and you can do community service to get back into the community instead of waiting out 'x' amount of days.
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like i said. the ban times are voted on. doesn't matter who you are if you have a good standing and are real.. cool with the committee you could probably get a 1 Hour ban for hacking lmao.
edit: no but seriously they are voted on jitspoe puts up the poll in the committee section and what ever numbers he puts up there is wat is voted on.
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where you can make a new account immediately and play again?
Jusu most games are account bans, rather than hardware bans.
Crossfire? LOL. Try anything concerning REAL games... You're permanently banned, I'm sure you're not gonna pay $50 each time just to cheat and lose...
Instead of trying to work on getting cheaters back in this game, why not put some effort into preventing cheating in this game, then you won't have to worry about ban times...
And hackers may have their account banned HERE, in the community forums, but they can create new accounts, just like you said... Hackers aren't banned from the community, it's just that community shuns them so much they might as well leave, as the way it should be... Anything you said about being banned from the community doesn't make any sense.
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try getting banned on any other game...
i dont understand why rick "lol" and your qoute.In most games you get IP banned( easy to evade and also not banned on the current ip on all my computers ) or Hardware ban ( easy for some games to evade not for Dp2 ) or serial id ( for cd's which is easy to evade also) or a mac ban ( another ban that is easy to evade) . I digital paintball 2 you get Hardware id and Ip banned which is hard to evade But its still possible to evade the ban, i know ways to evade the ban VERY simply. But as a good Dpplayer i wont. MOFO sorry but i didnt know that the ban times are voted i thought it was done by jitspoe, Heres a question i like to ask you MOFO doesnt jitspoe see these ban time and puts his "Stamp" on the ban times so they are authorized ?
ToXiiC
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I have gotten an idea to Fix or make the committee more effecient and also make them less bais (which they are extremely bais) but i cant do that right know i need the time to right it up. If thier was a way to transport my brain to this post box then i would do it :D.
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Thnx for the help Superman ( know that is some1 with less bias ) and also for the people who have unbanned me from the forums account
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Crossfire? LOL. Try anything concerning REAL games... You're permanently banned, I'm sure you're not gonna pay $50 each time just to cheat and lose...
nah man. i don't play crossfire. I've played a lot of games and this is the only one that ip/hardware bans you. Even quake doesn't...
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Jusu I don't recall losing often, but maybe that's a memory lapse? (actually I think I hardly won at all WHILE cheating). Unless you were pointing that towards 'real' games, which then I agree.
There's nothing I could possibly do to prevent cheating, how would I find out if a cheat is undetectable without using it? I'm all for permanent bans, but I think those bans should be able to get reduced (dependant on situation) based off proving they want back. (Making trailers, GOOD maps, Models etc...)
I used Crossfire as an example because of the ridiculously low ban times. It was pointing out that not every game is perma ban, and the rest was pointing out most games are just account based. But in a game like this, who cares if your account is banned? A lot of players would love making new accounts so they lose their formers.
But on the "getting cheaters back into this game" note, it's the fact that most of them HAVE served their ban times if you base of it off regular times that most players have gotten for the same situation. (I mean, look how many chances homingbullet got). They've served almost 80 days, and I don't think any of them had more than a second offence (some were their first offence). The distributor is already known by Jitspoe, so it's just seeing if Jitspoe is going to look over their times once he gets the time.
Didn't read Toxiic's posts cause his english hurts my eyes, thank you Jusu writing nicely.
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sorry about that Jamal :D. I don't have the time to spell check and reread posts i post.
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sorry about that Jamal :D. I don't have the time to spell check and reread posts i post.
You could just type it properly the first time...
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Myers, you said that you want to come back to the game and are willing to do something for it.
Yet, you also said that there is still one player unbanned. By your tone I am guessing you did not report him? Yeah, dude, you are so welcomed back to the community.
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We will beat Estonia in barrage.
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like i said. the ban times are voted on. doesn't matter who you are if you have a good standing and are real.. cool with the committee you could probably get a 1 Hour ban for hacking lmao.
edit: no but seriously they are voted on jitspoe puts up the poll in the committee section and what ever numbers he puts up there is wat is voted on.
Once again, the committee had nothing to do with the bantimes in these cases. Why is that so hard to understand it has to be repeated on every single page?
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i reported him, it's cyntex's friend poX. he used them longer then us and still isn't banned.
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Myers, you said that you want to come back to the game and are willing to do something for it.
Yet, you also said that there is still one player unbanned. By your tone I am guessing you did not report him? Yeah, dude, you are so welcomed back to the community.
Uhm.. how do you know I never reported him? I'm pretty sure I posted his name publically in Chalk's ban thread, I also posted every name to jitspoe when I got banned along with the cheat used. I don't understand why he never got banned. The guys been reported by all of the people who got banned, in fact he's also been reported for having like 3 or 4 accounts (Maybe the committee is looking at his multi's and after that's resolved he'll get banned?). And there's possibly 2 people, was Hippie banned? I think I was told he had them too. So yeah, it's been reported but I'll say it publically - poX cheated and has multiple accounts, and I "THINK" Hippie tried them(not sure he if did get banned or not).
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hippie didn't use them :( he had stopped playing before then . COME BACK HIPPIIEEEE
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Myers, you said that you want to come back to the game and are willing to do something for it.
Yet, you also said that there is still one player unbanned. By your tone I am guessing you did not report him? Yeah, dude, you are so welcomed back to the community.
Pretty sure all of us told everything to jitspoe (and in my case to Jimmy aswell I think), which is one of the reasons I find the bantimes odd... Well I wasn't aware poX was using it since he was horrid so I never really knew.
hippie didn't use them :( he had stopped playing before then . COME BACK HIPPIIEEEE
You didn't tell me to come back! ???
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If I could delete all this garbage I would. At least I promoted some activity. :/
I'm just gonna go ahead and lock this topic. If you wanna talk about why you should be unbanned go make your own thread or talk to jits.