Digital Paint Discussion Board
Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: jitspoe on April 21, 2006, 01:12:26 PM
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It probably wouldn't go over well with the community to all of a sudden start charging for a game that was once free. People would probably just continue to use the old version(s). Also, it would turn it into a real job instead of just a hobby, which might not be as enjoyable to me.
I did have an interesting idea, though. Instead of charging money for the game itself, I could have a fee for global login registration. Global logins wouldn't be required to play the game, but they protect your name and clan tag, and eventually will have statistics and maybe some awards/badges for various things.
Pros:
- The game as you know it now would still be free.
- Requiring payment would reduce potential abuse of the global login system.
- Server admins could require global login accounts to play on the server, thus filtering out most of the non-serious players. Naturally, admins could set up completely free servers that don't require registrations to play, too.
- Money earned could go toward advertising to help increase the game's popularity (as well as cover the costs of the login server).
Cons:
- As I've learned from the shirts I've sold, dealing with payments is a pain, especially from people in foreign countries or kids without credit cards (or worse, both).
- I'd have to take support a lot more seriously because people would be paying customers now.
- Lots of people may be turned off by having to pay for a login account, and thus there wouldn't be enough players on the (eventual) ranked servers.
It's just an idea. Thoughts?
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I really would love for you to do this.. i would pay.
But it really depends on charges.
like 20 dollars a year? or 50 for like a lifetime subscription.
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I would never pay that much. I could see like 5 bucks heh. but I dont have a credit card and neither does my mom.
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I don't like the idea of subscriptions. This would just be a one-time fee. $50 is probably more than most people would be willing to pay.
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Now that we heard from the peanut gallery ( skater) here's what I think.
Selling the software would be a pain due to a lack of a support structure, other than these forums.
Setting up a fee for a global login is a great idea: one fee for yearly or another for lifetime.
now...
If I were you, and were going to implement a fee structure for the global login, I would make the client and server NOT BACKWORDS COMPATABLE. When you pay, you MUST use this client and the servers MUST be at least a given level. just look at CS. 90% or better of every client update was not backward compatable and it didn't affect their user share at all. People jsut dl'd the client and played on. While server admins dl'd the updated server sw and fired up the new server.
By doing this, you will probably have a splinter faction of nonconformists, but I think they will be in the minority.
All in all, the bare minimum should be a new client and server piece that are not backwards compatible, then charge a yearly fee for stats and nick preservation.
just my 2 pesos.
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It's a good idea, and don't worry about people having a credit card because you can get gift cards almost anywhere and those gift cards have either a Visa or MasterCard logo on them to spend anywhere. I say go for it.
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well, as the community of paintball is already very small, I don't think that charging a fee for this game would be useful, I think it would just draw people away from it instead of drawing people to it, as it actually needs to (look at PBCup: 9 teams only after the first season has ended, how much do you think will show up for season 2? maybe like 15 or even less... that cannot hold up with other games where there are full leagues and hundreds of people competing. Making this game as costly as those will not support things like the PBCup, and will most likely kill the community pretty soon except for the core of it.
If you only charge a fee for "stats and nick preservation" as knack proposed, that could be fine, although I still dont like the idea of paying for a game that is as old as digital paintball. But at least in that version it wouldnt have a huge impact on the community, as only the really addicted players would use that option then (which might, in the end, not even reward you for the efforts of actually setting up a system with fees).
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I like the idea about paying for the Global Login System. I would pay so my name and clan tag would be protected..
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i'm not so certain making people pay for actually playing the game would be helpful. It may put off new players for one. I know if when i found this game it required payment, i'd just look for the next free fps around.
the global login payment thing sounds like your best bet. although again, i'm not sure if many players would take up this option.
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JR: That's an interesting point. Another possibility might be to use some kind of 3rd party system to handle the sales instead of dealing with them directly. I'm sure there are some things out there like that with all of the online stores that are around these days.
b00nlander: Paying for stats and nick preservation was what this whole topic was about, not paying for the game itself. As for it being old, well, that's about like calling Counter-Strike: Source or Quake4 old. The core game is about the same, but the engine and content are being redone. I agree that the community is small, but having some cash to promote it could help a lot. Or it could completely flop, who knows?
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do it. I really wanna see this game take off (again?).
I love the game and i wouldent mind paying for the gbl.
You would however, need a support system and really would need to keep this forums under control :)
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Ok. So here we finally are and I first I would like to thank Jitspoe for cracking down on the forum’s flame festivusess. Perhaps now we can have open dialog with out hurtful crackbacks and dismissive behaviors based on longevity and skill be it ingame skills or writing prowless.
1. Paying for ‘official‘ server status. This is a must. It not only forces people to update as the devolpers feel they should be, but also opens up a possiblities like custom scripts for stats, forced screen shoots (like punkbuster uses) and other mentionable upgrades. This should be $50 min if not more. The higher the amount, the more responsible the admins are likely to act.
2. Global login should charge a nominal fee if you want stats and to be an ‘official player status’. Like for pbcup etc. Again the reason are obvious. The more you charge, the more likley the player will behave. However this fee should not be more than $5-10 a year. Which is totally reasonable.
To combat loosing new players or old ones as mentioned before is a concern. To thwart this have a ‘demo’ version of the game. The demo servers should be controled by a DP admins, have a very small map pack and should be entice others to play more maps, then enitce them to build up stats then hopefully become active clan memebers. This funding can be from private donations or allocations that come from fee’s the players and admin pay for. We all know, Jitspoe does not expect to make a huge profit, just a better game for us so I belive he would be down with spreading the money around.
Your thoughts?
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I wouldn't pay for this game. Not until it gets a lot better, that is.
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eiii: Once again, you would not have to pay for the game, only a login to play on ranked servers and protect your name from spoofers.
loial: I don't know about charging money for official servers, but there should certainly be some kind of requirements so we don't have people running crappy cable modem servers, or using whacked out settings like no elim time to rapidly increase their ranking. I think the past has shown us that even if people spend a lot of money, it doesn't make them responsible.
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loial: I don't know about charging money for official servers, but there should certainly be some kind of requirements so we don't have people running crappy cable modem servers, or using whacked out settings like no elim time to rapidly increase their ranking. I think the past has shown us that even if people spend a lot of money, it doesn't make them responsible.
Jits, Americas Army does it and has something called AASA. Very strick on admin abuse. Check it out. It works. I will find the link for ya. www.aaserveradmins.com. Btw I dont agree at all with your last statement, please provide a current situation in which this is so.
Eiii,
Define "gets better'. I really belive it has and is.
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GT servers are now admin abuse free, as well as most other paying servers. The pb cup was fantastic I expect a larger sign up and more stable clans. The euro crowd is expanding. Cheating i assume is at a all time low.
I guess when you say the game is decaying I am missing the 'why' .
Taco, that was part of what I said. BTW. You will find that 'KISS' (keep it simple stupid) works more often when speaking to non-experts rather than a complicated 'Thesis' to make a point. Over complications can bore the reader / listener if they dont have a vested intrest (or a clue) in what they are reading or listener (Oral Com 101) sadly most here dont. I would like to see that change, just like you.
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loial21: I don't really want to bring up past issues, but let's just say there was somebody shelling out around $100/mo for a dedicated server and being an irresponsible admin. The current state of things is much better, but my point is simply putting a high price tag on something doesn't mean it will be used responsibly.
P!nk: I fear that may be the case. I guess the upside to that is that everybody who registers could be in the top 10 players, haha.
DT: Ultimately I'd like to have something along the lines of PBCup on a more generic level. You'd create an account, and with that account you could create or join a clan. There could then be official, self-maintained clan lists with official rosters, records and all of that good stuff. I don't know how much that would help people integrate, but it would keep things a lot more organized.
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I'm not so sure this would work.
Free and your content, and quality of, is your business.
Pay and people start demanding and getting angry (look at BF2 with it's patches and the hell people are raising about it BECAUSE THEY PAID).
And what about content?
If you are going to make money, maybe all the map makers that have put thier time into these 400+ maps floating around want a piece?
Models, skins, textures, they all need major work to get them even close to today's standards. Who's going to do these for free when you're making money (I know it may not be gobs of cash, but money is money - *bling bling*)?
Admins, and mappers, same as above (to a much lesser degree I supose).
Interest in the real piantball game is pretty high right now. I think a good advertising campagne is all that's needed. And nothin that even costs money (blast all the paintball forums).
It's not that I wouldn't pay, it's that i'm not certain I could afford to (ok...it's that my wife might not let me OK!).
And if we look at it this way:
Battlefield2: $50
SpecialForces Expansion: $29
EuroForce Expansion: $10
Total: $89
Now I could have stopped at $50 for just BF2 if I really had to. My point being I paid that money for a leading edge game with a locked in username and ranks and all that stuff. The graphics are incredible. The gameplay is absolutely great. The variety of play to keep you interested for a long long time is superb.
How could DP expect thier patrons to pay a similar ammount (the initial $50) for an extremely subpar game as compared to BF2 or anything new (Oblivion).
I love you to death Jitspoe. I respect your need for greed. But I say thumbs down on paying.
There's just not enough in this community that makes me think i'll get my money's worth.
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Jitspoe, look at it this way. What do you have to loose? Either way you have to worry. As of right now you cant control the admins behavior. If someone can not follow the rules you are 100 dollars richer and have one less person to trust. That simple.
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Jitspoe, for a whole clan community..there are really simple ways to do this.
if you wanted to now... www.arena-zone.com
sign up and check it out... u create clans, then invite players.
When you challenge someone, they must only be 10 ranks above/below you and they have to accept it or a forfeit is awarded. That right there is a 200 dollar site..and for DP i would be willing to let you use it jitspoe. You could even make it so that, if someone signs up.. you have to verify that they paid, and only then can they use it as the 'official' clan system.
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loial it's not as simple as that, and you know it.
My post addressed the developement side of the whole deal.
I'm not developing for free if someone else is making money.
I gladly give what I can to a completely free game in the spirit of keeping it free.
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well.. why not make it 100% non-profit? I'm sure alot of people in this community can help. Maybe buy some textures that any map i this game is licensed to use.. maybe a better webserver *wink wink* :)
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If i'm going to contribute to a non-profit organization, i'm going to give to The Make-A-Wish Foundation.
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Yeah i was going to mention the old "You never asked for money before" but, yes I know, greed old man, greed. I understand you completely. However, regarding the server side. My point can not be denied.
Make a Wish
S8n, really? My whole family (which works for ATT) donates a percentage to that cause, company philanthropy and such. I thought of you having no soul. You know what? Go to Heaven. :)
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As far as hosting the official service, it should not be free. It should be an honor not a privilege. Other than that, have at it. Dear Pink, perhaps I am over zealous for fairness and sportsmanship. To those who believe it should be free to the player to play yes it should. If you want your name associated with a stat and expect to have some sort protections and such protections should be at cost to the players or developers, such costs can be gathered by having official severs. <<<(this passed spel check) *servers
On to S8n's point again Models, maps, textures, skins, etc...That should up to the programmer.
Something like this would be nice. All rights to such works should be forfeited in the name of fairness to Nathan Wolf for the grand amount for $****$ and all proceeds to such parties should be donated in their name to any non-profit originations and a lifetime ‘developer’ status be granted to such persons with impunity, until he or she is found guilty by 2/3 of their peers of any bylaw agreed upon.
Another outside the box idea brought to by Loial
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I won't pretend Paintball2 is comparable to some of the current-gen titles (hey, we don't have XX million dollar budgets and a huge development team), and it wouldn't be priced as such (though I hope some day it will come close in terms of visual quality). S8N definitely highlights some of my primary concerns. Once money gets involved, things get ugly. There are several people through the years who have contributed little bits here and there. I think I'd be best having payments made to Digital Paint rather than me, personally. I honestly don't think there would be enough made off of it to even bother being greedy.
Say the master login server costs $100 a month to run and I charge $10 for logins. I would need an average of 120 people to sign up per year just to cover the cost of that, and that doesn't cover the cost of software I've purchased for Paintball2 development or come anywhere close to compensating me for the time I've put into it. The other option is for me to personally just suck it up and shell out $1200 a year like I've been doing with the EV1 servers, with the help of loial. I'd probably be lucky just to get back what I've already spent.
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S8n concerns are selfish. Wait! I thought i sent you to heaven. Curses!!
Sumer says no drunk typing.
Good bye. For now.
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I dont like the whole money situation, i think its kinda crazy, why pay for a game that we are already addicted to, Doing this u may lose half the DP community, the idea is great but i mean u should make a poll for it, like who says pay click yes and people who dont think its a good idea say no,
I dont wanna start a flame or nothing, but i mean u should make a different build or something like b17 you should make it to where pbcup is already in it, instead of a site, you should include it, You will need a "key or password" to get a clan tag, that only clan leaders can have.. kinda like admin on mIRC, u have to have an admin put you on the Admin List,
I think that would be pretty cool instead of paying, and how u login to PBcup u should make b17 like that, u have to sign up and get a email back from them, then get ur password and change it do whatever with it, then no1 can go on stealing passwords.. make it so u can only use 1 name per IP address,
But thats jus a couple of my thoughts on the whole idea, Like i said i dont wanna start a flame fest so i lve it at this Do whatever u feel needs to be done, I threw in a couple of ideas, which i didnt think was half bad, but others might...
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Once again, you would not have to pay for the game itself. Please read my first post carefully.
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i think he depends on the cost. and all the money should go to advertising the game to get more players. map makers and others that make stuff for the game make it for fun. there are tons of map makers that make tons of maps for games that the maker of the game gets money the map maker gets nothing. look at the orig quake2 theres thousands of maps out there. most 99% where not done by id yet id made the money. people will keep making maps and other stuff for the game no matter if they don't get paid. i would pay for a system like this. depending on how much it costs. if we can earn something like even $100 then jits could put ads in the paintball zines. or even maybe buy a bunker or 2 with a logo of the game and website on it. and put it on the turny games out there. i just saw a match with dynasty and a few others down in Florida "TV" and it would be really good advertise to sponsor a match or 2 or even just have a few bunkers with the name on it.
in short i like the idea. i would also like to say that you are not paying for the game! you are paying to be in a globel player list. if you dont wish you pay then you can still play. this is not pay and play. i think 1 or 2 servers with the system would be nice the rest reg free servers.
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TY
1. A demo (free service) + servers = More players
2. 'Global Login' + 'Official paying servers' = ($)'Paying' 'responsible admins' and 'players' + 'Ensured updates' = A 'Happy Paintbal'l community which equates to less of Loial's posts on this subject = A 'happier' place for all.
PS I got in trouble for posting this. :(
Sumer says dont be merry.
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Loial make up your mind dude....
Yeah i was going to mention the old "You never asked for money before" but, yes I know, greed old man, greed. I understand you completely.
THen three posts later...one of those even being yours...
S8n concerns are selfish.
Sorry to go off topic, but WOW!
Anyways...go ahead and rock on with it. Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, eh?
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I understand your selfish / point. I was hoping greed was not a factor.
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What?
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Wow what did you not understand?
I understand your point of being selfish (greedy)
You are selfish (greedy)
I will pm you this is clearly a' miscommunication breakdown'
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Jitspoe, Personally, I think the nominal fee for establishing stats and a reserved nickname would work. I don't know if I am ready to look at my stats yet. After all I am still a Noob lol. Looking at most people's situation, if it's not too costly, most people who are serious about the game would want the stats and nickname. Chances are that once someone were able to play for free for a while and started establishing a skill, they too would want to go further into a registration and stature.
I guess in my viewpoint, I am not a super serious player. I love to play but I am not really after rankings and all that. I do however see myself possibly wanting that in the future. It's amazing how human nature can drive people to want to belong to something bigger. I think all people experience that in some way or another.
On a little more off topic note, I'd like to ask you a question. I maintain a few websites for myself and other people. Would you mind if I posted a link to this website on a couple of mine.
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On a couple of your posts? If it's not anything paintball2 related, post it in the "other stuff" section.
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No, On a couple of my websites.
Sorry I thought this was Paintball 2 related
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I'd pay for the login.. good game. Maybe it would even chase away some of the hackers and foriegners (some i don't mind) But it would just seem like more fun, with the ranks and what not. Anyways, i'd give it a go. If it doesn't work out, you could allways go back to original paintball2.
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I'm pretty certain that it is NOT Jitspoe's aim to chase away "foriegners". And if by foriegners you mean non-North Americans, then i don't thin it's apprpriate that you group us with hackers. I'm pretty sure the North Americans can be quite guilty at this.
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why not just let all the urrently players continue to play for free and make new players pay :-)
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or thats the stupidest idea ever.
jits... so what do you think your going to do?
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Well, here's another idea: instead of requiring people to pay, I could have a donation option. There would be certain benefits to donating. Donations would show up on your stats, for example, and maybe increase your overall ranking. We could also have various donation badges/awards, depending on how much a person donates.
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Jitspoe i think that's a great idea.
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If I had to pay for anything, I would stop playing.
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see.. you dont HAVE to.
and jits.. what about buy the global login for a whole clan?
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Jitspoe, I'll give you $20 right now just for using punkbuster or something that ensures I'm not playing against hackers.
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Great idea rez. I will double my payments to you per year. A False sense is better than no sense.
Donations would show up on your stats, for example, and maybe increase your overall ranking. We could also have various donation badges/awards, depending on how much a person donates.
Jitspoe why when I mentioned this over a year and half ago it was considered RUDE to post donation amounts. I personally think its a great idea.
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hey i like the idea of the global login, what u should do is for the people that r hackin n get caught for them to be able to play again u should charge them a reminders fee that if they wanna hack they can pay for it litteraly. thats just my imput
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Pay for a secure global login and recorded ranks is kinda cool. But let everyone play on ranked servers. I've donated a few bucks in the past, and would do it again. But requiring in any way people to pay to play on certain servers is too much of a divider. Plus, whats the map rotation of these ranked servers?
Also, you mentioned paying for a clan tag. Do all members have to pay to use it? That would suck.
And, make the donation/payment requirement small and have the option of paying more. I probaly have more points to make on this, but I'm not reading the entire thread so maybe someone made them already.
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I'd surely begin to donate even if just to help keep hackers out and to track my progress somehow. :)
R/
Qed the clanless one hehe.
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I think you should go with the donation plan. Maybe you could change the name to Digital Paintball 3. Who knows, you could even send those little 3d glasses to people who make a donation, and they get a special edition called Digital Paintball 3D.
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3D being Digital Paint: Paintball 3Donation edition?
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QED: The Reviver.
Games actually suck a lot in red-blue 3D, I haven't managed to be play Bugdom 2 for over an hour in 3D mode without getting really sick.
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QED: The Reviver.
Games actually suck a lot in red-blue 3D, I haven't managed to be play Bugdom 2 for over an hour in 3D mode without getting really sick.
Sry TinMan... Browsing thru the forums and thought that this thread was a good idea and was wondering if it was still in the works or any sort.
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I think you should go with the donation plan. Maybe you could change the name to Digital Paintball 3. Who knows, you could even send those little 3d glasses to people who make a donation, and they get a special edition called Digital Paintball 3D.
Doesn't Quake2 have some built-in stereoscopic mode?
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I think you should go with the donation plan.
Forget about that, if you look at how much money is donated on very good software it makes you laugh. If people don't have to pay they won't, EVER.
I would be willing to pay if there was some guaranty that most cheaters are banned.
Maybe the (paid for) login name can be coupled with one ip-adres and people with dynamic ip have to login to a website first to verify their ip and username/password.
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i agree with pinobot. why pay if you dont have to? however, if you where to add some kind of 'luxury' feature for those who where to donate (or something similar), that would not be such a bad idea.
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I'd pay $20 for a life time global login... If you can make it where server owners can create servers that allow ONLY those who have bought their login as well as keeping the standard open servers.
The key here is that everyone still has a present day choice whether they want to take the free ride while those of us who choose to pay can enjoy some of the benefits previously mentioned. An icon or something for both the game and this forum beside our names recognizing us as paying customers would be a nice benefit. The lifetime member could enjoy any and all future updates or benefits to the game.
Nothing wrong with donation Icons recognizing dollar amounts donated by a user either. Could be as simple as a paint splat with a $20, $50, $100 or whatever the user feels compelled to donate.
Again, EVERYONE is still given the choice FREEBIE - DONATOR - FULLY REGESTERED - FULLY REGISTERED DONATOR
I might be insane but I'm all for taking part in the progress of this game and I have no problem investing in a game I've enjoyed for so many years especially if I am recognized for doing so.
If this game had a huge development team and loads of cash it might be a whole different story but as it is, Kudos to Jitspoe and anyone else that has helped with the support and development of this game. I have so many other games on my computer that I've paid a lot of money for that I NEVER play so why not invest in the one I do after all it will be my choice :)
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I would definitely pay for this game like MUT said Ive played it for years and its been quite a good time and Ive watched it grow for so long plus by paying that means its just going to get better faster...
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Funnames only for donators.
You'll make millions.
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ROFL. Best idea EVER.
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i wouldn't pay.
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I'd pay for a lifetime global login if shazam33 and airtime were banned form public servers.
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I'd pay to have all the servers run airtime and crimethink 24/7.
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I'd pay for a lifetime global login if the public servers weren't so lame.
TACO LOL Lame? This will not be a flame just putting things in perspective, seen you have seem blown public play out it.
I hope you meant no longer fun for you and several others. Because playing in public servers is not lame.
This is lame......
Dying with out making the world a better place for you children, that is lame. Loosing your house in a fire or is lame as well. Having your children or spouse die before you is lame too. Making prank calls tying up 911 phones is lame and against the law. Not as important but just as lame is helping a 15 year old write a fictitious story about their sexual encounters that is also lame and is 100% criminal. Ruining other peoples fun on purpose and calling people names on line is lame as well cowardly. Would you like to hear more about what is lame? I got a really good last one. Backstabbing this game and belittling everyone in it every chance you can get and then continue to play it. Along with those players you call lame, well sir that is lame also.
On a lighter note......
So Taco let me get you correct, so far we have.......(these are not quotes, sorry I am not the type of person who keeps database of quotes handy in the hopes of belittling someone. I find that rather lame and sad)
1. "The public servers are lame because I said."
2. "PB cup is lame and dead because I killed it."
3. "DP is lame and dead because its not fun anymore."
4. "But I would pay if they weren't so lame"
Wow 4 sudden unexplainable trends combind with some random cosmic occurrence. Everything about DP in your opinion is Lame. Awesome!
We all know you used to have alot of fun playing on public maps and still do I have proof. Would you like to see your self laughing and having fun while playing on public? In all honesty we all agree you can be fun to play with or against and a pretty cool guy.
Now back to the topic.
How can the public servers improve? In your opinion. Funny you were asked that same question and with out hesitation you said "maplists" and added nothing else. Any other suggestions now that you exhausted your last copout.
On similar note..I would really like to see admins have to pay a small fee for a official server status. Then charge for the global login.
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Loial, I completely agree with all your points and observations to DirtyTaco.
After viewing some recent screenshots and demos I find it funny DT would talk about lameness. I would expect the kind of behavior I witnessed out of a couple of the old schoolers on there but it would seem that DirtyTaco has turned to the dark side as of late. A person whom I thought had intelligence and even earlier in this very thread seemed to show interest in helping the DP community, more specifically it's newer clientele as depicted in Reply #16 on: April 21, 2006, 07:33:16 PM of this thread, instead resorts to the kind of bad behavior he himself has condemned so many times in the past. What a fine example you are setting for others by teaching them how NOT to be "lame" on public servers. You have contributed so many good things to this community in the past... what gives? I guess my image of you being a level headed, mature and intelligent young adult were simply a mirage.
The public servers are predominantly full of newer players so if you're not going to stick to your own previously acclaimed intention of helping newbies, you have no respect for those who play pubs along with those who admin them or those who provide them, and you think they are so lame, then don't come on them. I really want to believe you're above that kind of bad behavior.
Loial, on your other note, I couldn't disagree with you more. It seems to me you have a vendetta against admins and it makes no sense whatsoever why you would want them to be forced to pay a fee.
If a person is the admin of a server then the server owner/s, whom already pay dearly to provide the very servers that support the game, obviously have intrusted them with admin access. The owners and admins contribute their own time and/or money to the game already. Why would you penalize them with a fee?? Instead, they should be given a discount because without them there would be no place to play the game and no one to run them.
You're admin of your own server and recently have been made an admin on GRaFFiTi servers. Do you not feel your contributions to those servers are worth anything and are you in a hurry to have to pay more than just a standard lifetime fee for a global login like everyone else??
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yeah moonlit2r was on and i was the only person in there. thats f***ed up.
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Funnames only for donators.
You'll make millions.
thats what i was about to say. I don't like paying for online games though.
maybe you could allow donators to get their own custom uniforms with their names on it in the game.
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If I do the donation thing, I would probably do the following:
- Optional donation-only servers, where only people who have donated can play. This would hopefully help with the lameness, but it may be difficult to keep them populated.
- Some kind of indicator (perhaps not in-game, but on the player info page for dplogin.com, like sourceforge does) that distinguishes regular accounts from donator accounts.
- Perhaps some other incentives, if I can think of any, like making map votes count for more or something.
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I don't think the first one is a good idea, because (like you said) no one would ever be in the servers. For the second, I don't think anyone is going to really care if there's something in their profile. The third is the best idea. I still think funnames for donators only. The more I think about it, the more it's a good idea. :D
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Perhaps, if you donate your avatar shows up on all your posts instead of your profile. Or, just have like a "donor" image under your name on your posts.
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I wish our Avatar showed up anyway on our posts like many other forums, then like skater says have a donor image or something under the name.
The forum part would be easy - Maybe a special column on the scoreboard to put a splat or something recognizing donators and fully registered players. Then players can continue to use their names as they choose.
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Even so, I don't think the four to six people on the forum who want an avatar would generate that much money. Really, paying for funnames. And other stuff.
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Pico,
It seems to me you have a vendetta against admins and it makes no sense whatsoever why you would want them to be forced to pay a fee.
We can discuss this. :)
I don't want admins to pay for the game per say. It could be a penny a year for all I care.
Its not the amount sir. Its the commitment to uphold minimal gaming standards. Like cable modems for instance, who can stand the lag. Poor sportmanship (defined by admin)...
Sorry I was not more specific. In my defense, I have posted the advantages of playing AAO on a aasa server.
DP Admins Unite! Wow I just said that. No cares about unity and fairness anymore, but a few hardworking few.
Thus the commitment I spoke of. This game still rocks. I have proof. I DARE ANYONE (EII FYI you don't count) WHO PLAYS ANYMORE TO PROVE ME WRONG THIS GAME SUCKS. Time discrepancy comments will not be validated with a responce.
Doug thanks for disagreeing. You argument was right on and at least you show that you care. I should have been more specific but that was not my focus....as you privately know what was.
More over to the readers. As you can see we don't always agree. But we can talk about it. If you care about the game make the freaking effort if you don't then don't post and just go away.
To my credit I edited out screen shots and demos of my focus. ;)
I also withheld my tongue lashing of oldschool players behaving badly. Which by the way I have for sale at the cost of 2lbs of beans. Proceeds got to the help Loial understand those old school players that constantly act like angry 13 girls who don't get their way. Or worse a pack of 13 male virgins denied love. Which are then farted in their general direction for behavioral correction and the lesson would be this.....A parody on 'SGT Bilko' from 'Stripes'......"Calm down Francis its just a game"
Lastly and speaking of Americas Army (yes again),
If official servers are tied in with global accounts, which they should be. The accounts should also be tied in with forum accounts and login to #paintball. That way we kill three birds with one stone.
Think logic man!!! This is the only way to keep DP as clean as possible. Fast solution to a growing problem and just a suggestion open to whatever.
OK you can boo, .....now.
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If official servers are tied in with global accounts, which they should be. The accounts should also be tied in with forum accounts and login to #paintball. That way we kill three birds with one stone.
Forum accounts linking with global login accounts would require lots of modification or a new forum all together, and #paintball is ran by etg, not jitspoe.
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no, #paintball is ran by Jitspoe under etg.
Jit can do what he wants in #paintball, and it really would not take that much more to ban a user in #paintball automagically if there were a global ban on the servers.
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No more servers than we presently have for this game, it doesn't have to be that complicated. An "Official Server" should be defined as one that is NOT a cable modem or an equivalent type server. "Official servers" are of the type GRaFFiTi PainT, EV, PBCup, Ch|ll, Qballs, and QTB are. At worst you might require a time limit like 3 months running before servers are considered "Official" but still forcing a fee would be unfair and pointless.
Again, they need not pay a dime to be recognized as "Official" servers as they already pay out the ass to support this game by making it available to the general public as well as the maintenance involved and it's administration. No fee necessary.
The commitment to uphold minimal gaming standards is simply a given and is the sole responsibility of server owners and the people they choose to admin those servers. No FEE is going to deter abusers of such standards. The "commitment" is the in excess of $1000 per year price tag that server owners pay for "official" servers and an added fee would be nothing more than an insult.
In other words, if I were paying my own hard earned dollar or giving my own personal time to provide a place for people to play ANY game, that should be enough to show my commitment to that game and if someone tried to charge me an additional fee after the fact, I would simply NO longer support that game and move to another.
I think that the implementation of the New Global Login system, charging a small yearly fee for it's access, implementing a more attractive donation system, and recognizing those who take part via avatars or whatever are all productive ideas while still allowing everyone other choices.
Doug thanks for disagreeing. You argument was right on and at least you show that you care. I should have been more specific but that was not my focus....as you privately know what was.
More over to the readers. As you can see we don't always agree. But we can talk about it. If you care about the game make the freaking effort if you don't then don't post and just go away.
We can discuss it indeed and just because we disagree doesn't mean I wouldn't give the shirt off my back to ya Loailypoo.. Knack might even have an extra speedo too LOL... ;D
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simple its just not right to start charging after offering the game free of charge for so many years... even if its a little one time fee... im sure people who have never heard of this game before would be willing to pay to check it out but maybe for some of the older players that might be a different story.. i might not have been around for as long as the rest of you but i for one am not willing to pay especially the way the community is now... thats it plain and simple down and dirty
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GOOD GOD PEOPLE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT CHARGING FOR THE GAME ITSELF! The only thing you would have to pay for, and by choice I might add, would be your own global login which would/will have many benefits as already mentioned. If you wish to reap these additional benefits then you have the choice to buy your own global login just the same as you can buy a DP shirt. Surely it's not all that complicated?
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Doug you make a compelling argument I concede your point about not charging to a point.
No FEE is going to deter abusers of such standards
Its not the fee per say but the status of the server I am hoping that will deter and most important to me is the code of conduct they will be asked to uphold.
I guess the question is what does deter most effectively the abusers? Anyone? I would say a swarm of ants and honey. Anyone else?
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hahaha priceless!! Hornets!
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'A Clockwork Orange'. Pavlovian conditional treatment also works.
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no matter what i still think we shouldn't have to pay for anything since we never had to before
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GOOD GOD PEOPLE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT CHARGING FOR THE GAME ITSELF!
Remember that please.
Also this.
we shouldn't have to pay for anything since we never had to before
When did you have a global login before?
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I think paying for bonuses is a good idea, but forcing people to pay to get (what's going to be) basic services of the game will drive people away more than make money.
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I think paying for bonuses is a good idea, but forcing people to pay to get (what's going to be) basic services of the game will drive people away more than make money.
I agree or at least worry about new players being driven away. The older players meh not so much worry, they are hooked. :)
I think a login with global stats should be the bait is whats needed to hook more players into buying.
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There could be free2play servers and pay2play servers. A yearly donation of $5 would allow you to play on p2p servers, or a one time $25 fee. pay2play servers would be tracked with stats and rankings, where as f2p servers would remain how they are now.
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never did i once say that jitspoe was charging for the game itself... so you can throw that out the door... I'm saying that since the game has been offered for some many years free of charge ( meaning you didn't have to pay for anything ) i feel it should stay that way... the global login should be offered to everybody without having to pay... and those "extras" you are talking about should also be free and offered to everyone... its only fair because not everyone can spare $...
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LOL Cola I suppose Jitspoe should send all of us free T-shirts as well... You're missing the whole point and your line of thinking makes me wonder if you're from New Orleans j/k...
its only fair because not everyone can spare $...
Not everyone would have to "spare" the $ as it would be a choice. If you don't wish to buy your login then you can choose not too but one shouldn't always expect something for nothing.
Now let's talk about "fair" ...
Jitspoe already puts in a huge amount of his own person time AND money maintaining this forum, the game you enjoy, and even servers for the public to play on.
The global login system along with all of it's future benefits will require an even greater amount of Jitspoe's time. Offering it for a small fee is very fairly justified IMHO. If you don't want it then don't buy it and play the game as it is. Nothing unfair about that.
Donations have ALWAYS been welcomed but few ever have. Nothing wrong with rewarding hard work with a donation and nothing wrong with recognizing a person who does so.
Also keep in mind that these are my words and not necessarily what will transpire... These are merely ideas in the discussion phase.
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LOL Cola I suppose Jitspoe should send all of us free T-shirts as well... You're missing the whole point and your line of thinking makes me wonder if you're from New Orleans j/k...
i knew someone would post something like this and yes i may not speak for everyone but as for me i never got an allowance when i was growing up i never had money for myself i used to get all giddy when my parents would give me a dollar for some candy... just because most of you have money or jobs doesn't mean everyone else does think about it.. if no one would have ever tried to convince jitspoe of charging for the game he would have never brought this up and this discussion would not exist... all I'm saying is think about this very hard because i think its not fair for those people who aren't financially blessed as the rest of you are.. so i say offer it to everyone and for those of you who would like to donate then donate to your hearts comtempt but don't punish others just so you can make a few bucks...
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but don't punish others just so you can make a few bucks...
Jitspoe has stayed committed to this game since he was in high school, he is now out of college and in the working world, where time is scarce and valuable. The amount of work that he has put into this game is unthinkable, most mod developers would have stopped long, long ago, he however has kept it going. We are not talking $100 or $50, were talking $5-$20, if he charged every player in dp right now $20 to play it, he would end up with less money than if he had been working for $1 an hour everytime he worked on the game.
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Well, that's assuming every player would pay. Many of the less devoted ones wouldn't.
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What I was trying to get across was that if he cant afford to donate or he doesnt want to, than thats his decision. Nothing in the game NOW would change, it would be future updates.
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i still don't have 5-20 $ to spare is what I'm getting at and I'm sure there are others out there also... which is why i am saying offer it to everyone and to the people would like to donate money to jitspoe then donate...
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Meh, I wouldn't mind paying.
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i still don't have 5-20 $ to spare is what I'm getting at and I'm sure there are others out there also...
like me...
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really, I'm 15 years old. I work one day a week, and i cant afford to give up what little i make considering most of it goes to my nights out with the girlfriend. Keep it free for people like me...
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really, I'm 15 years old. I work one day a week, and i cant afford to give up what little i make considering most of it goes to my nights out with the girlfriend. Keep it free for people like me...
Well then work more, I'm not sure what kind of job you work 1 day a week in.
Any way as hes trying to say you will pay on a completely volunteer basis, you don't have to but there are benefits for those who do.
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Spook does that job where you....nevermind, don't want to spoil it.
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i build roofs at weekends or sometimes after school too. I DONT pay TAXES. i r0x.
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In the case that you ABSOLUTELY cannot pay, we could set up a method of submitting your name and what you have done for the community, like released maps or high res textures or anything like that, the pay members could then vote on whether or not you deserve an account.
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Hahahaha I'm pn Da DP Welfare I'm on Da DP Welfare N can't uh ford it... I never got an allowance either as a child, been on my own since age 15, lived the streets, had lotsa jobs, been sucessful, married twice and of course I am as broke now as I was then raising my 3 kids by myself. Umm maybe Jits will accept food stamps? Heh
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Most of the DP players are under the age of 21. Most are still under 18. The problem with that is most at that age do not have the means to pay.
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True by age but they have no problem coming up with PS2s, Xboxs, Xbox360s, Ipods and money to buy the games to play on them.
Oh my bad.. that is what old people like you and I are for...
Mom!!! Can I borrow $20??? .... Daaaaaaad!!!???
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but that would not work on those who are dirt poor... like me...
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Again your choice not to buy just like it's your choice not to buy a DP T-Shirt... I'm dirt poor as well and it's not like I can really afford to throw money out for any game but if I want the added benefits then it's worth it to me to pay for the security a personal login will bring along with all the other possible future benefits that are being discussed.
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i think this is bullexcrement because the login was gonna be offered to everybody before all this even started...
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It may still... Goodness so testy... This is a discussion about a proposed fee. No one said a fee is actually going to be charged. Calm down!
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i have an idea. what if you put advertisements inside the game. but let me explain. in maps like ub_rooftop there are billboards and such, what if you where to sell "billboard space" to some companies. then have these maps be played on official servers, and when ever a match begins on a map the companies with "billboard space" in the map would pay like $5. that way the players wouldnt have to pay anything, and jitspoe would still get his money.
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Nice idea but they won't do it.
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Who would want to advertise with us? ;)
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That's a cute idea. Unfortunately. mapmakers would have to each revise their maps, or new maps would have to be created with billboards to support the idea. Also, the advertisements would be appealing to only those who are playing the game most of whom are under 25 years old and probably don't have the funds to buy what you're selling. Plus the fact that this is such a fast paced game, it would be hilarious to run up on a player staring at the billboard while the other players wonder whether the person is wallhacking or jotting down a 1-800 number off the billboard... Hehehe
I'm with Matze and eiii... they won't do it...
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i see what your saying... but it would be funny finding someone writing down a 800 number in game...
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Hehehehe indeed it would. Instead of Idle kill, Spawn Killer or Type Kill!!! We'd have Billboard Killa!!
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another idea, youll probally hate it though. before each match begins eveybody waits for a set amount of time, what if you had something there like a name of a website or a compay with a website, or something of that nature. that way they are not distracted while the match is in progress. also the maps would not need to be modified. could something like that be possible?
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If I were to include any kind of advertisement in the game, it would be something unobtrusive like the banners and whatnot you'd see on a real paintball field. Trackmania Nations did some pretty tasteful in-game ads. I wonder how successful they were.
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haha an idea for banners, if you've played warsow you see like bilboards in the maps that change to advertise leagues/server companies/radios/ etc... that would be coool. But i like the idea of texture banners such as the 4thx one in ub_rooftop or the ksplat banner
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What about if we contacted paintball companies and offered textured advertising, like they could advertise on jerseys of the actual player, on paint boxes or co2 canisters, and once a month an update is issued to servers and then the players download new textures via the server.
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The approach I would take is this:
- Maps would be designed with specific ad locations, such as billboards and banners (this probably wouldn't be applicable until after a new map format is created, but it might be possible to do with the current one).
- Ad images would be located on a central ad server and downloaded in-game (just like a website, basically). Once downloaded, they'd stay cached so you wouldn't have to re-download the same ones (unless you reinstall the game).
- Advertisers could spend as much or as little as they wanted. The more they spend, the more likely their ad is to be displayed. If Company A spent $50 and Company B spent $150, Company B's ads would show up 3x's as much as A's.
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I suggest you ask around and see what companies would be interested before implementing it.
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Try to get companies that are known to sponsor lan parties and produce computer/paintball goods, I don't want to have to shoot paint on a Viagra ad.
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Trackmania Nations did some pretty tasteful in-game ads. I wonder how successful they were.
The ads were by known companies, like nVidia or TrackMania itself. I don't think that these ads were that successful ;) .
On the other hand, adding banners to the game, especially one's of paintball companies would make the game more paintball'ish.
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On the goldsource/source engine version of the digital paintball, they're doing this already. On the loading screen for the goldsource version there are ads and on the Source version they're planning to implement them in game, randomly selected from paintball companies and spraypainted on bunkers, obstructions, walls, billboards etc.
www.digitalpaint.net
Before you consider actually trying the game, I can assure you that it sucks. Hard.
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Id only pay if this game was improved, e.g. cheat detection EG...and those annoying lag spikes which aren't on my end, Ive got 8MB.
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stop beating the threads, sharp.
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thread abuse is a serious crime.
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punishable by the chair.
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I WILL PUNISH U IF U SELL DP I LOVE THIS GAME!!!! >:(
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But not enough to pay for it? :)
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Heh i woulnt pay for dp... sry guys^^
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I can paypal you some money if you want. This game has rocked me for a long time so I have no problem hitting you back.