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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Leriq on March 28, 2010, 10:20:50 PM

Title: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Leriq on March 28, 2010, 10:20:50 PM
Which server is better and why. Feel free to express why you feel this way.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: eugenics on March 28, 2010, 10:25:59 PM
ur servers are Linux builds which are most likely shared.
hence the reason why you will see large amounts of lag
on ur servers. the lag comes from everyone who wants
a linux box due to it being some how "better" than a windows
box. so, expect lots of traffic on unix, linux shells.

now since 3iob servers are all windows based and everyone
is anti windows, 3iob servers have less drain on them. making
it a more stable environment to play on the long term. i shall
make it simple, windows means less people, less people
means less network lag, end of story.

#team_3iob
irc.globalgamers.net

type !3iob to reserve a match server per request!

Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 28, 2010, 10:32:38 PM
my detective is bigger.  i had a feeling this would show up.  i am sorry eugenics but your post clearly shows your lack of knowledge of how these operating systems work. linux runs aprox 10% more efficient than windows you can assume but you do not know. windows is not a more stable server than linux and it will never be so.  

my main pc is windows and i use unix also so i can tell and know the difference from experience and not based on assumptions every time i play i notice that the server cpu lag is so great that it ruins the game play, thats what happens when you put 4 servers on 1 virtual host.  and please edit your post it is so void of truth that it is insulting to even read it.

your network capabilities is fine. but the server itself cannot handle it.   
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Prime24 on March 28, 2010, 10:40:39 PM
Personally from experience i lag more on 3iob servers and i ping about the same the virtual host carrying 4 to 5 servers is probably causing this lag and/or the servers are inexpensive and/or cheap
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: eugenics on March 28, 2010, 10:54:28 PM
wrong vlad.


its quake2.....quake2......its not crysis or a 1000fps cs server.

as for the servers, they are not run on one box, it is two.
so two server ports per windows box, with other servers
on it not being used is pretty good! you can even test it
with online network polling tools. it all depends on route
per client for their own network lag as the stream goes
through 10 or more comps to get to where its going.
that is of course you live near it and its half or less that.

personally, i'd rather play on henrods servers more than
3iob and uR. one reason, i ping less and the server handles
its cpu load alright.

anyways, may all servers stay up, may more players play.

but as for the facts, the servers work great, lots of love for
them, the usage pretty much speaks for itself. so, once again
and for the last time, come play dp, pick where you want.

best servers? how bout a lan game, then we can complain
about the guy who shows up with a p4 1.4ghz lan server.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: shep on March 28, 2010, 10:57:47 PM
Pointless thread really, it will soon turn into a flame fest. Anyway i would say uR servers although i ping higher on them they seem to run smoother. And for some reason on 3iobs servers sometimes its really hard to hit people standing infront of you.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Cameron on March 28, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
I'd determine this over the specifications of the server, not what operating system they are running.  Operating system is probably only 5-10% of this pointless argument.

personally, i'd rather play on henrods servers more than
3iob and uR. one reason, i ping less and the server handles
its cpu load alright.
I agree with this guy.  Although you probably get 30, I get 7 times that :)

Obviously the winner of this contest is PokarPacie.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 29, 2010, 12:01:24 AM
the network does not hop from computer to computer. its routers and switches. what happens is from computer to switch to router and to global network. the further away you are from a host the more hops it will take.

use tracert i think in windows to see how many hops it takes and what routes and where it gets held up the most.

i have learned networking, unix, windows. and have taken classes for most of them. i would not say anything if i did not know anything. lets hope others do the same.

also Eugenics you are running on a virtual server like most of us.  a box costs around 160 - 220 a Mo

i repeat again we all have decent network capabilities. the problem is not in that. you might want to change some server settings maybe turn on lowlag 1. anything that will minimize cpu usage and others network usage.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Kyuuchi on March 29, 2010, 12:17:59 AM
I seem to lag more on the 3iob servers, sometimes I'll get spiked. But when I'm on the -uR- servers, it's very smooth and I get a decent ping, probably 10 better than on 3iob. So -uR- servers for me.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Rick on March 29, 2010, 02:57:58 AM
I ping <250 on both. But I'm opposite to shep, I lag more on uR servers.

PS. My sensitivity seems to get higher in 3iob servers, anyone elses?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: shockwave on March 29, 2010, 05:39:36 AM
   Everytime we try to play 3iob I ask them if we could use uR servers because alot of people prefer them and Fitz and I being Canadians ping up to 30+ ping higher and spike like crazy, but they always refuse because they know we get a huge disadvantage. I rarely ever lag because I have pretty good internet, but I always seem to spike and have difficulty moving around on 3iob's servers.  
PS. My sensitivity seems to get higher in 3iob servers, anyone elses?

To be honest, I think i feel that as well...not 100% sure though... I feel its so much harder to hit people and move around on that server...I freeze at random, but when I'm on a uR server my ping is 50... not 80... and its so much smoother and I can actually move well and play well. This recent tournament had no complaints about the servers, everyone had a good time, servers were smooth and playable because Vlad knows what he's doing, and is willing to pay more then $10 for much better servers.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Justinph5 on March 29, 2010, 09:55:40 AM
Without proper specs it's pointless. Both run practically the same compared at 'smoothness' and ping. Most reasons a player is hard to hit is because of their client and the game itself, not the server. So its mostly opinionated by who plays who where.

Just like s2k servers, I usually run 30-40 higher ping there, but its just as 'smooth' and easy to play on. Can't compare it to others unless we see details of them :P   Doesn't matter anyways because eR33t's were the best compared to all mentioned here.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 29, 2010, 10:39:17 AM
yes er33t servers did have greater capabilities that is without question. if i remember correctly they had a dedicated box? i keep watch over my cpu and network usage if it ever goes up to 100% i add another vbox. in my current setup i am still yet to reach 80%

like most people said i also notice a lot smoother gameplay in uR servers maybe its something that can be changed in server configs instead of the server itself.

Justin you say most of the time it is the client but it cannot be so in my case, and also if you notice that it happens in only a set of servers in most cases it could be that server or the route that it goes through getting to that server.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
Why is everything always a competition? We all should be working together to make the game better. By giving someone a choice of a server I feel that, that is one step closer. Some prefer uR servers some prefer 3iobs. Why does it matter? Is there a valid reason on why it matters? Thread = Pointless in my OPINION.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 29, 2010, 10:46:39 AM
maybe we can turn around and make this thread as a Quality of Service thread. and work on that.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Leriq on March 29, 2010, 12:40:34 PM
Only reason I made this thread is because some people seem to whine and complain when they loose. We're all playing the same server so it shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Olbaid on March 29, 2010, 12:43:24 PM
Shut up Bix.  Thank you
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: iEATnoobs on March 29, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
I WANT CH1LL SERVERS!
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Olbaid on March 29, 2010, 01:21:22 PM
eR33t > all

Quality Service/Product.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: PiCaSSo on March 29, 2010, 04:37:56 PM
GRaFFiTi > x2 eR33t > all
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
GRaFFiTi > x2 eR33t > all

Picasso what company did you guys use for the GT servers?

Leriq is Bix?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: MyeRs on March 29, 2010, 06:03:15 PM
uR servers suck. They lag soooooo bad, my ping jumps from 60-120. Their IRC bot screws up half the time, and they are ran by a kid with downsyndrome.

3iob's are consistantly good, and are run by people who aren't completely retarded.

kthxbai. luvuvlad. You intelligent ukranian.

User banned for this post
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
uR servers suck. They lag soooooo bad, my ping jumps from 60-120. Their IRC bot screws up half the time, and they are ran by a kid with downsyndrome.

3iob's are consistantly good, and are run by people who aren't completely retarded.

kthxbai. luvuvlad. You intelligent ukranian.

I actually run the uR servers. Im not a kid with downsyndrome. That hurts myers.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 06:06:46 PM
Picasso what company did you guys use for the GT servers?

Leriq is Bix?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 29, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
Myers is trying to suck 3iob balls now.

your cool Myers do you know what down syndrome is? no it is not when your daddy got on top of you.

kids? Myers what are you somewhere between 12 and 16 ?

your still insecure that Shk Left your clan.  your insults make such a big impact. no one cares about you, and stop cutting yourself.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Justinph5 on March 29, 2010, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: Cola
Do anyone can get along in this place anymore yall.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Leriq on March 29, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Why is everything always a competition? We all should be working together to make the game better. By giving someone a choice of a server I feel that, that is one step closer. Some prefer uR servers some prefer 3iobs. Why does it matter? Is there a valid reason on why it matters? Thread = Pointless in my OPINION.

For your clan, it is always a competition. They are the ones who cant lose without blaming it on the server.
This isn't meant to be a flamefest. I was told that many others hate 3iob servers, which definitely appears to be the case by the way the poll is going.
And no, leriq is not bix.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 07:11:02 PM
For your clan, it is always a competition. They are the ones who cant lose without blaming it on the server.
This isn't meant to be a flamefest. I was told that many others hate 3iob servers, which definitely appears to be the case by the way the poll is going.
And no, leriq is not bix.

Well It seems like its a half and half thing or close. I can careless, I play on all the servers even OTBs. If I cared what anyone thought or cried about, uR servers would be down. If my team cry then tell them to man up lol. I would.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: vLaD on March 29, 2010, 07:14:44 PM
well its hard to play with someone on their server when they refuse to play on yours.  leriq your thoughs don't count because your only one sided. if we want to determine who's server is better if you'all really care we can always run benchmarking tools and / or network testing tools.

if the servers can handle the load and the network is fine well instead of saying my rooster is bigger lets figure out why are they working differently and what is the cause.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: PiCaSSo on March 29, 2010, 07:30:33 PM
Atmays, we rented from these guys: http://www.theplanet.com/

Too stay on topic, I've experienced the sudden lag on both servers, sudden map changes without telling/asking users what they want on Ur servers and 3iob and a few days ago I was on 3iob and was slammed so hard with lag I had a 700 ping.  It felt just like I was being packeted a few years back.  I have'nt seen pings like that since I had a 56k dialup modem. It's weird that on either server I'll be flying along just fine but when I get in front of certain players it's like they have a bubble shield and my paint stream will go everywhere but where I'm aiming.  Not sure of a better way to explain that.  I spose it's better than having no server though.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
Atmays, we rented from these guys: http://www.theplanet.com/

Too stay on topic, I've experienced the sudden lag on both servers, sudden map changes without telling/asking users what they want on Ur servers and 3iob and a few days ago I was on 3iob and was slammed so hard with lag I had a 700 ping.  It felt just like I was being packeted a few years back.  I have'nt seen pings like that since I had a 56k dialup modem. It's weird that on either server I'll be flying along just fine but when I get in front of certain players it's like they have a bubble shield and my paint stream will go everywhere but where I'm aiming.  Not sure of a better way to explain that.  I spose it's better than having no server though.

Thanks Ive been looking for that since GT went down. Which package you guys buy?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: PiCaSSo on March 29, 2010, 07:54:06 PM
Hrrrrmmmm  That was 2 years ago??? I forget but it was about $120 monthly... One of the dedicated server packages.  You might contact them and see what they think would be the best quality, least expensive and available package for this game.  The servers really were the most stable of any that have been used for this game.  Hope that helps... 
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 29, 2010, 09:50:51 PM
Hrrrrmmmm  That was 2 years ago??? I forget but it was about $120 monthly... One of the dedicated server packages.  You might contact them and see what they think would be the best quality, least expensive and available package for this game.  The servers really were the most stable of any that have been used for this game.  Hope that helps... 

Yes it does, I will talk to uR and get our funds together and hopefully we can get some up. Thanks alot.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: PiCaSSo on March 30, 2010, 11:39:49 AM
My pleasure...  I will certainly use them if they come up  ;D
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: CheMiCal on March 31, 2010, 02:18:53 PM
i think 3iob's and FR4G's are the best i have ever seen they both don't lagg and uR server's are kinda bad for some people. i vote 3iob since i dont see fr4g up there. but if fr4g was FR4G's would win :)
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: CheMiCal on March 31, 2010, 03:01:40 PM
yup i like both the servers i ping good in them no servers are better then those.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on March 31, 2010, 04:38:38 PM
Why is everything always a competition? We all should be working together to make the game better. By giving someone a choice of a server I feel that, that is one step closer. Some prefer uR servers some prefer 3iobs. Why does it matter? Is there a valid reason on why it matters? Thread = Pointless in my OPINION.
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Post by: Dirty_Taco on April 06, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
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Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: atmays on April 06, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
Mustangs servers were the best

Who is that?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Promaster on April 06, 2010, 10:49:49 PM
yea whois that
Who is that?
yea whos server was that?
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: XtremeBain on April 07, 2010, 03:46:21 PM
Mustang's server was crazylady's hangout. Everytime you connected, he'd be rolling all the newbs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040522040314/www.grm.net/~crzylady/
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Promaster on April 07, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Mustang's server was crazylady's hangout. Everytime you connected, he'd be rolling all the newbs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040522040314/www.grm.net/~crzylady/
sucks that its down nows!
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Olbaid on April 08, 2010, 01:38:23 AM
Mustang's server was crazylady's hangout. Everytime you connected, he'd be rolling all the newbs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040522040314/www.grm.net/~crzylady/

WAIT A MINUTE!!!  crazylady wasn't a girl?!?  WOW, I wasted so many nights trying to get some.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: Promaster on April 08, 2010, 08:44:59 AM
hahahahaha
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Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: eugenics on April 17, 2010, 06:01:06 PM
crazylady is female bain, why are people so retarded, didn't they ever see the picture
of narf with crazylady and i forget who else. she's a red head.
Title: Re: 3iob Servers vs. uR Servers
Post by: TeH on April 29, 2010, 12:41:24 AM
both servers sucks much god darn americans.