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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: MyeRs on October 01, 2009, 01:28:44 PM
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This is a demo request from SuMMit and Shockwave for NaHLiJ's demo of airtime1 at around 9:30 pm -uR- vs [rD]. I didn't play in this nor see what happened, I was just asked to request the demo.
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LOLOL I knew this was coming.
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I told NaHLiJ about the thread and he still wouldn't post his demo.
[07:03] <M> http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=18879.0
[07:03] <M> forums
[07:03] <M> post your demo
[07:03] <M> kthnx
[07:14] <NaHLiJ> say i wont
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Thats not saying he wont post.
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yo myers post that demo on sept 3rd pforest kthx no demo then ban gbye.
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O_o Nahlij...
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Common sense input:
Either Nahlij is being a prick and wont share his demo to be ignorant, or un co-operative
or, he really is hacking, and wants to "Protect" himself from getting banned, even though he is digging a deeper hole..
Just post it already
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ak-47 is nahlij btw, it's his forum account. So he has seen this thread, on IRC him and his team started going on with all these excuses trying to avoid that giving demo part. I didn't see anything that happened, I wasn't in the server. But from what I've been seeing from his clan I'd assume he's hiding something. I've been pm'd by a few people who saw me talking to him and his team saying they think he hacked by how he's acting. What i've been told is that NaHLiJ has bright sky's and a clear midramp on airtime1. [From a person who knows him in real life]
Anways here are the excuses I was given from his team:
WeeZy:
[09:26] <Dank> nahlij said he accidently typed stop at begining of demo
NaHLiJ:
[09:28] <M> So why cant you give the demo?
[09:28] <NaHLiJ> cuz u guys are dumb
[09:28] <M> How so?
[09:29] <NaHLiJ> cuz its annoying when ppl keep assuming things in this game
Atmays:
[09:41] <@KinG|atmays> M get shks demo from april 5th 2008 at 3 pm
Then later I can't seem to find the logs, but it was basically NaHLiJ saying he deleted all his demo's lastnight. As I said I wasn't in the match played, I was just asked to try to get the demo since he refused to give it to them. So I do not know what is happened.
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Um Thats not an excuse. I cant request a demo?
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why does it matter? it's not like you're getting anything out of playing this...
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i really couldnt tell if he was hacking since he was playing in Supermans Pub earlier today with u myers on shock looked pretty clean to me
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hahahaahahh you missed posting in one board. fail.
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:D u were deleting my posts
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no, i see more boards than you. i see all you and then zimt just fits in there :)
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MOFO; please do not post in this thread, that was the most pointless post. He didn't hack shock, congratulations bro. Like I said I wasn't in the server so I don't know everything. But from what I hear; from more then just shockwave and summit, is that he has airtime[and only airtime] modded. He uses them when he needs to, like times when he thinks he will lose. I'm not saying this is for sure true, this is based off what I have heard. Since SuMMit and Shockwave both seem to think this match he used them, and other players from other teams told me stuff about this, I would just like the demo be posted in this thread or atleast to a committee member.
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This shouldn't be such a big deal if he doesn't have anything he should just post simple as that would stop a lot of DIGITAL PAINTBALL Drama.
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Well, this is now in the committee threads, so get going and post it, because we'll be on your a$$, and I'm sure you wont be happy with that. I don't see whats so hard about posting a demo. Its not that hard. Find the demo, attach and post. Explain what is hard about that. When you say you type stop, its probably because theres something you don't want someone seeing, etc. Most servers have auto record enabled, and just leave it enabled. If your one of the idiots that complains about not having enough harddisc space, you have to be meddling joking.
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Yea this is getting pretty darn ridiculous.
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Why is it always the same people wanting each others demos...?
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I know somethings that are on his computer if Jitspoe or one of his guys want to msg me ill tell them.
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hmmm. what the hell who would mod airtime that map is so freakin old
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darn, seems like more and more people know stuff about him. Still awaiting the demo though.
MOFO: Stop posting in the thread. We want his demo, we don't want sidetracked stupid posts. Simple? And airtime is still used alot, it doesn't require much jumps, alot of walls; it's more common for somebody to mod that then prolandr or something big and fast.
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i hacked airtime
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same here
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This is how its going to work Nahlij. No other way, only just how I've stated it below.
We don't like hackers. People who play the game don't like hackers. We all know that. By not showing your demo, you have become a semi-hacker, as there is strong belief that you hacked, obviously by a request of a demo, but also, because you will not hand a demo in. We will not accept hard disk space as an excuse, we will not accept 'oh I typed in stop', we will not accept 'oh get a life <insert demo requester here>, you hacked before', we want your demo. If you do not hand in that demo, I'm sure all of us on the committee would like to give you a week or 2's vacation from the game, so you can think about handing the demo in instead of playing the game trying to get away with it. We have a thread here, we have a thread in the committee boards, you will not slip through. Hand it in before the forums see another thread about this, possibly with some proof as well, because if that does happen, I know I will not go easy on a ban time, and I'm sure there are some more committee members will not go easy as well.
If you don't agree with that Nahlij, bad luck. Rules are rules. At the moment by not handing a demo in it seems you have most likely broken the rules. If you are pretty meddling sure you didn't hack, then post the demo. Do what everyone else does, hand a demo in to the forums, or just the committee.
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I am also requesting demos from last week. I told you immediately after the match via irc. If you need the server and time I can dig that up. This is an official request on the forums as you requested. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
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im not doing nothin if cameron keeps deleting posts wat an idiot
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i think its henrod deleting it
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im not doing nothin if cameron keeps deleting posts wat an idiot
Keep it *on topic* and maybe *I* won't be deleting your posts....
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im not doing nothin if cameron keeps deleting posts wat an idiot
Oh I'm sorry what did I say? There is only one way.... Do what I said, because we are considering worse consequences now.
Removed for Edge :).
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Now why did you said that?
I always laughed when someone said that committee members are deleting the posts...
Way to ruin my day guy from former British colony :(
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Fixed. I doubt anyone saw it anyway :P.
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Cheers mate! I'll bbq a kangaroo next time I see you :)
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sorry bud get this resolved http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=18277.0
and then come to me otherwise this thread is just another "CLASSIC"
*sigh* See ya in a week.
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^sad how people consider this the same as American law. This doesn't follow the same suit as U.S. Courts. You can't use an old untied 'case' as a backbone or reference to a current 'case'. Just worry about yourself and quit complaining about things in the past. It'd be fine if you went to that topic just to help resolve that problem, but instead you try to use it to protect yourself? Quit whining and finding excuses and do what you're asked.
I have a feeling "If you ban me(him) I'll just laugh","You are sad" or "Get a life" comment coming on. They're all typical and predictable people, it gets boring.
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I don't see how all these new rules are being created?
1. If you don't give in your demo you will be banned?
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=18277.0
thats a link to when weezy requested a demo from hyphy and even though shockwave didnt correctly state what he had it was lead to believe that hyphy was hacking so why no demo?
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=18521.0
here is another link for bleezy not submitting demo.
was he banned for not submitting? NO
2. Since when can someone be banned for being off topic?i hacked airtime
same here
we were both off topic being random yet we were not banned and im not inviting you to ban me as well im simply stating that because you are in the committee doesnt mean you can make up ridiculous rules because you dont like someone. It's clear no1 here likes nahlij. jusu henrod hate him and shk summit are mad cause we beat them. its funny when i do better then nahlij in a match and i am not accused of hacking. its obvious you all pick on one person based on who u like and dont like.
And i took the liberty to take a look at the rules
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=1456.0
Where in that does it say you will be banned from the forums for being off topic?
a committee member is not the same as a global moderator so they shouldnt be able to ban anyone from forums.
3. The committee has been saying nahlij will take a week or 2 vacation from the game for not submitting demo,now hes banned from forums?
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16395.0
The rules state that cheater ban times double unless you provide info.
doesnt say you will be banned for not providing info. Jitspoe has not detected any cheats from nahlij so he will not have ban time for cheating and he wont have ban time for not submitting demo. if he does it means jitspoes rules dont apply at all.
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Let's state it one more time: playing this game is privilage, so be happy you still can. Stay clean and follow what jitspoe/committee asks you for, and you shouldn't worry. Rules may change, as they did when jitspoe decided to double ban time unless info is provided. The NORMAL community is just sick of all these hackers. If you have nothing to hide - hand a demo over, if you are hiding something - get a ban and think it over.
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Oh I'm sorry we missed those threads. Our bad. Whoops.
KnacK has his reasons for banning people, I occasionally suggest forum bans as well. And yes, hes banned on the forums. Boo hoo. He can come and contact us via IRC. I don't know what the difficulty is in handing a meddling 1-2mb file in is. Its not hard.
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Noone is saying its hard. He doesnt want to give his demo. Jitspoe said himself he cant ban someone for not handing in a demo. The Committee Members are abusing power by banning from forums when there is no such rule about "going off topic"...u can delete our off topic post but it doesnt call for banning
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Noone is saying its hard. He doesnt want to give his demo. Jitspoe said himself he cant ban someone for not handing in a demo. The Committee Members are abusing power by banning from forums when there is no such rule about "going off topic"...u can delete our off topic post but it doesnt call for banning
Committee Members CAN`T delete posts or ban ppl from forums.
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I'll ban from forums whenever I feel like it. Privilege, not a right.
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then that would be abuse of power? to ban from forum whenever you feel like it?
Shouldnt you a committee member set the example and follow the rules that jitspoe has set
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=1456.0
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Committee Members CAN`T delete posts or ban ppl from forums.
but int his thread there has been posts that were deleted and Ak-47 has been banned from forums for no reason but being off topic. That isnt right when so many other people go off topic and its not in the rules that if you go off topic u will be banned from forums thats just completely absurd and abusing power because they dont like him.
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Perhaps y00tz or KnacK did it?
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But why would they ban from forums if he didnt break any forum rules that result in getting a forum ban.
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Being off-topic is a legit case for a forum-ban.
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*terms of use are subject to change at any time without notice.
Lol, this isn't court, we don't hold hearings on forum rules. If somethings wrong, we do whats right, even if it isn't in the rules...
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So the forum is a dictatorship? what ever castro says goes. very merry. this game will never grow like this. And it doesnt matter if he gives the demo or not he cant get banned for that. Jitspoe said it himself.
Being off-topic is a legit case for a forum-ban.
actually being off topic is a legit case for deleting the post.
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Noone is saying its hard. He doesnt want to give his demo. Jitspoe said himself he cant ban someone for not handing in a demo. The Committee Members are abusing power by banning from forums when there is no such rule about "going off topic"...u can delete our off topic post but it doesnt call for banning
Let's see if I can clear this up for those that are hard of READING......
1. If make or continue to make off topic posts, you typically will get warned and your posts removed.
2. If you continue to do #1 then you get a time out from the forums.
3. committee members cannot ban users from forums OR remove posts/threads.
Straight from the great one's own fingers:
Forum Guidelines and Rules - or - Let's work on some better posts this year.
« on: January 01, 2006, 01:02:49 AM » Quote - Modify - Remove - Split
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I'm not a fan of excessive moderation, but some of the recent posts have been getting a bit out of hand. The new year is as good of a time as any to set some new rules. I want these forums to be a place where people can come to get help, provide feedback, and exchange ideas, not a place to throw insults at each other.
From now on, I will be more aggressively deleting or locking posts that are counterproductive. Here are some guidelines to help you make better posts:
- Don't troll. Trolling is making posts simply to elicit an emotional (angered) reaction from other users.
- Provide constructive criticism. There will always be inexperienced people looking for feedback on maps, websites, or whatever. Instead of railing into them about how horrible it is, take the time to explain what's wrong with their design and how to make it better. Be helpful, not hurtful.
- Don't take flamebait / don't feed the trolls. If somebody posts something simply to make you angry or upset you, don't dignify it with an enraged response. Don't fight flames with flames. Instead, report the post to me (through PM on this board, IRC or whatever), and I'll delete it if need be. If you feel a response is needed, make sure it's cool and well composed. Perhaps do something else and come back to it if the poster really gets under your skin.
- Don't ridicule other users, particularly about physical appearance. At least pretend to show some respect. Even if it's in jest, not everyone will know you're joking and it sets a bad example for other users.
- Profanity isn't necessary. Really, it isn't. Sure, it's "just words," but so is about everything else on the forums. Nearly every time profanity is used on here, it starts or contributes to a flamefest. If you find yourself using it, you probably need to rethink the tone of your post, or perhaps cool down a bit and post later.
- Don't make "+1" posts. In other words, don't post simply to increase your post count. Add something valuable to the discussion or don't post at all.
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so can we close this demo request and continue playing the game?
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He doesn't want to give his demo. Jitspoe said himself he cant ban someone for not handing in a demo.
That's not what Jitspoe said. I am responding to this because it seems like valuable information for the community to understand.
[21:46] <%NaHLiJ|BBL> [00:47] <jitspoe> I don't think I'd ban somebody solely on the basis of refusing to give up a demo, but if the committee is reviewing your case, and you're innocent, refusing to give up a demo probably isn't going to help you
If someone who has hacked several times before magically gets good overnight and then refuses to give up several demos after several different people ask several times, most intelligent people are going to assume he is hiding something. And then there is Nahlij's line of reasoning:
[21:39] <%NaHLiJ|BBL> if i have nothin to hide
[21:39] <%NaHLiJ|BBL> then i wont post demo
so can we close this demo request and continue playing the game?
Sure, as soon as he gives up the demos or the committee comes to a decision on our recommendation to Jitspoe. He can email it, dcc through irc, send via any messaging service, or upload it to a filesharing site as I clearly told him. Below is a fairly clear example of what can happen if someone refuses to submit demos.
[19:17] <%NaHLiJ|BBL> so ur gonna ban me cuz i didnt submit demos
[19:17] <+Henroddd> thats not what i said
[19:18] <+Henroddd> i said if you dont submit them, you will be allowing the committee to decide what to do
[19:18] <+Henroddd> and it only takes 5 people to vote for a ban
[19:19] <+Henroddd> so if i were you, i'd just submit the demos so that the committee doesn't have the option to ban you if they wanted to
As far as the forum stuff goes Knack was very clear and thourough.
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this is stupid. well for future references, the next time i am asked to submit a demo i will not. :]
you guys should worry more about finding new players and making this game more active instead of worrying about some little kids asking nahlij for a demo because they lost. if u know shockwave u know he accuses everyone who is better then him of hacks all the time. There should be a limit to how many demos one can request because shockwave has requested so many times its pretty funny. and none of his request have ended with a ban so where is his credibility. this game is wack now.
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If anyone cares, I am on the committee and I do NOT support this thread at all. If a single member of the committee can be suspicious about a player based on the way a match was played and then request a demo because the suspected player was suspicious then every member of this community should have the same privilege. There has been plenty of times that members of this community have had a suspicion about someone they have matched and wanted a demo and was refused. What makes anyone of us better? If you ban a player based on his unwillingness to hand over a demo then be prepared for an influx of bans to include some of the committee members themselves. Anyone can ask me for a demo but I can't guarantee that I even have it because I do delete mine on a regular basis. If Nahlij gets a ban over not handing in his demo then it is only fair to ban everyone else who has had a demo requested and did not comply.
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MOFO; please do not post in this thread, that was the most pointless post. He didn't hack shock, congratulations bro. Like I said I wasn't in the server so I don't know everything. But from what I hear; from more then just shockwave and summit, is that he has airtime[and only airtime] modded. He uses them when he needs to, like times when he thinks he will lose. I'm not saying this is for sure true, this is based off what I have heard. Since SuMMit and Shockwave both seem to think this match he used them, and other players from other teams told me stuff about this, I would just like the demo be posted in this thread or atleast to a committee member.
IF he did he will be banned so yea dont think so like jitz says the hack thing is real
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Why are people not waiting for jitspoe. True, one should give up a demo as part of a forum request, but people refuse all the time. This issue has gotten so far out of hand that it will not be long before Jitspoe notices this thread. He can use his detection system for hacks, as he has before, without the need for a demo. Recall Homing's latest ban... a demo was not required to prove him innocent or guilty, rather it was attention. Jitspoe will apply the same detection system to Nahlij, and then his ban will or will not occur. No need for certain community members to employ so much emotional power into this thread. However logical or illogical, points have been exhausted on both sides. I propose waiting.
-Cusoman
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Why are people not waiting for jitspoe. True, one should give up a demo as part of a forum request, but people refuse all the time. This issue has gotten so far out of hand that it will not be long before Jitspoe notices this thread. He can use his detection system for hacks, as he has before, without the need for a demo. Recall Homing's latest ban... a demo was not required to prove him innocent or guilty, rather it was attention. Jitspoe will apply the same detection system to Nahlij, and then his ban will or will not occur. No need for certain community members to employ so much emotional power into this thread. However logical or illogical, points have been exhausted on both sides. I propose waiting.
-Cusoman
FYI Homing's ban would have been brought on by a demo. He was clearly aimbotting in the submitted demo and the issue was being discussed in committee before the detection system got him. There have been several other bans doled out from demos alone when the detection system did not pick it up. Handing in requested demos is important because, as we all know, the cheat detection system is not a 100 percent catch-all. Not trying to argue at all, just stating facts.
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Why are people not waiting for jitspoe. True, one should give up a demo as part of a forum request, but people refuse all the time. This issue has gotten so far out of hand that it will not be long before Jitspoe notices this thread. He can use his detection system for hacks, as he has before, without the need for a demo. Recall Homing's latest ban... a demo was not required to prove him innocent or guilty, rather it was attention. Jitspoe will apply the same detection system to Nahlij, and then his ban will or will not occur. No need for certain community members to employ so much emotional power into this thread. However logical or illogical, points have been exhausted on both sides. I propose waiting.
-Cusoman
You should know better then anyone that Jitspoe can not just rely on the detection system :P New sorts of hacks are developed that jitspoe doesn't about. To catch these hackers, people will have to ask others for demos. If they refuse or make up excuses like Nahlij is, it is possible to get away with it and it will allow other people to get away with it also.
~note: For those of you that didn't know, cusoman was designing/making an un-detectable wallhack, but was caught because he tested one of his detectable ones :P (Will remove if Cusoman admits that Myers, Elit3 and I started Flawless, not him)
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LOL i get a kick out of this. hyphy was asked for him demo in a different match and every1 just stopped the post and forgot about it. nahlij is asked for a demo and every1 is going ballistic LMFAO this excrement is funny. I dont see how the board is fair at all lol. and if nahlij was hacking jitspoe has a detection program and will detect him like he did me LOL way back in da day. hyphys demo was requested first you guys "committee" should solve that issue first before you move on to the next person. this is the same exact incident that HYPHY had so ya. pull your excrement together kids. :D
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LOL i get a kick out of this.
I get a kick out of this:
Homingbullet, Homi3, a1mbot, Silentthreat (5634)
Reason: Multiple accounts, aimbot, modified content
Created: 2008-03-21 21:18:45, Modified: 2009-09-24 21:05:42, Expires: 2010-06-07 21:05:42
Days Left: 237.2
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OH HENROD OFF TOPIC! forum ban
we have already established that u dont have to give a demo if u dont want to.
what kind of ban are u going to vote on?
not giving in a demo? what about hyphys demo? not gonna vote on that
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I get a kick out of this:
Homingbullet, Homi3, a1mbot, Silentthreat (5634)
Reason: Multiple accounts, aimbot, modified content
Created: 2008-03-21 21:18:45, Modified: 2009-09-24 21:05:42, Expires: 2010-06-07 21:05:42
Days Left: 237.2
What does that have to do with anything?