Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: Crash on March 09, 2006, 02:36:36 AM
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made this just for fun, its got 16 jumps from my map propaint (http://rapidshare.de/files/12654143/propaint.bsp.html). Sorry to clan Krew for making you look so bad :P you guys are cool though. Length is 9 minutes. Songs have cuss words so cover your ears little kids.
*** Links removed as they encourage cheating ***
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170mb... F*ck That.
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Quite.
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There is 16 jumps in Propaint?
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eh, i could see 16. i bet i can do them all too.
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super lame skin and paintball edits.
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You know, I'm a philosophy major, I contemplate alot of deep topics. I consider alot of difficult arguments, many times i'm left with little or no explanation for some claims, and i try to figure out why someone would think or say such a thing. Regarding DP, I always tried to figure out why people liked playing 1-path maps, 7on7, with impact grenades. You do the same thing every round. How is that fun?
After downloading the movie in this post, the most daunting question ever was posed to me, one more difficult to figure out than any other i'd experienced. Namely,
How stupid would a person have to be make a video and post it in a public forum in which they are blatantly hacking?
I have tried my very best to try and comprehend just how stupid this someone would have to be. I mean, i figure such a person would barely have the ability to breathe much less work a computer. But i can't begin to imagine what a person like that would actually be like. Anyways thank you for presenting me with one of the most difficult questions I've encountered and you wont be participating in pbcup anymore.
P.S.
<Shreds> I cant login to the forum, but I'd like to say this message to crash. "Good Job at proving you are a freakin idiot" recording a video with hacks on... same goes the the rest of the CP morons and other names in the credits.
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I guess the license agreement wasn't clear enough. Pehaps some time on the global ban list will help straighten things out for you.
DO NOT CHEAT
Plain and simple. By installing, using, or owning Paintball2, you agree not to use any cheats or modify the game content in order to gain an unfair advantage while playing against human opponents. Doing so will result in banishment from public servers, disqualification from competitions, and/or legal prosecution.
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Schnap. Now I'm regretting not downloading that movie. Kind of ironic that it's a 'skill' movie in which you hack.
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Hahaha, are you serious? Hahaha, what an idiot. Haha, im crying.
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lol..?
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Lmao, was he really hacking in that demo? Haha, nice way to rape yourself crash :(
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wait you sayin i hack cause i changed the models back to the original quake 2 model and changed the paintball colors?
or you think i wallhack or aimbot, cause that would be a serious compliment LOL. ban me or whatever u wanan do but i dont hack ( like the real hack not just changing models which half the dp community does)
Filefront Mirror (http://files.filefront.com/propaintersrar/;4860004;;/fileinfo.html)
Watch it again, we have a thing called \\\"Voice Recon\\\" commonly used in counter-strike or any other professionaly played game.
jit lol everything is \"licensed\" and \"copyrighted\" for you haha
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Let me see if I can spell this out more clearly.
MODIFYING THE GAME CONTENT IN ORDER TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE IS CHEATING.
If the game was meant to have players with solid, bright colors, it would have come like that. That kind of crap wouldn't slide in something like CS - making the terrorists neon pink or something, and I'm not going to let it slide here. Maybe other people do modify their content, but since you not only hacked your skins, but posted a video of it and even encouraged it, I have no choice to set an example and ban you. I don't care how many people do it. It's blatant cheating and needs to stop.
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lol ok cheating and hacking are different, lets call me a \"cheater\" instead because the models originally created for DP suked ass and the game was fine like uhh 2 years ago but you retardificated it
go cry yourself to sleep over this lol
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lol ok cheating and hacking are different, lets call me a \\\"cheater\\\" instead because the models originally created for DP suked ass and the game was fine like uhh 2 years ago but you retardificated it. excrement man i dont blame anybody for replacing the models and excrement because the models SUK, but yea since you put your time into i understand you dont want anyone figuring out that you can change them.
go cry yourself to sleep over this lol
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You're not helping your case at all. I'm going to move this thread to a more appropriate location.
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Lmao. The vid didnt extract for me, meddling winRAR.
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Then go and grab winRAR. ;D
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I believe Clipz uses similar skins..
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hmm...the quote feature is not working...
OK, Jitspoe said:
MODIFYING THE GAME CONTENT IN ORDER TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE IS CHEATING.
</Jits>
Jits, how do you feel about crosshair modification? What about textures? Menus?(altho, that really does not give any advantage.) Sounds? To what extent can someone modify the game, and when does it become an unfair advantage?
I think that there should be some sort of definition on what is hacking and what is cheating. I have spoken with many players that have made these changes, and each disagree with what constitutes a cheat/hack.
-Derrek
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I don't think crosshair modification will give you any advantage. That's more of a personal preference in my book, so different crosshairs would not be a cheat. I play best with crosshair 1, but others may prefer something different. I tried to include a variety of crosshairs, but if you don't feel they're sufficient and have created your own crosshair, post it on the forums or send it to me, and I may include it with the next version.
Texture modification really depends on the intent. In crash's case, his intent was to be able to see player models more clearly, which obviously gives him an unfair advantage over somebody playing with the standard models, making it a cheat. Something like FourthX's high-res texture pack, however, was intended to enhance the appearance of the game, and does not to my knowledge give players any kind of advantage, so that wouldn't be a cheat. There are plenty of grey areas in between, though, so I may be forced to have a standard texture check in the future.
I don't see how anything could possibly be done with menus to give people an unfair advantage, so any modifications there are fine. If there is something, let me know in private.
Edit: Missed the sounds. Modifying something like the death sounds or menu sounds -- things that aren't going to help you play any better -- would not be cheating, however modifying sounds to help pinpoint player locations such as footsteps would be cheating.
I also had some questions on IRC about the custom models option in the menu. This is merely a leftover from Quake2 and in planning for future support for customizable player models. This is so you can disable other players' use of different models (for example, the female and alita models from Q2) and just use the default player model, NOT so you can modify the appearance of everyone.
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He's walling all the way, the skins don't matter that much, he knew where EVERYONE was, and don't tell me he guessed because that is OBVIOUSLY not true.
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can someone screenshot his models? I cant get the vid to work
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quote feature is not working (as I said before), but I just realized that I should paste the error that I am getting when I try to quote you, Jit:
An Error Has Occurred!
Unable to load the 'quotefast' template.
Cross hair modification would not seem like it would give an advantage, but consider the following...
With build 11(or 12?), I modified the source so the cross hair would randomize. Then I made 3 crosshairs in the shape of a circle with alternating white/black specs. They would, when randomize, give the effect of a motion crosshair (it would spin). I did this because I had a hard time locating the default crosshair on screen, and my aim would be off. Since then, I upgraded to build 14 (and no 16), and got tired of having to add the mod for each build. I still have one of the pics as the crosshair, but it no longer moves.
s8n released a larger crosshair that had a crude range finder in it(plain graphic, no source mod). This gives you the advantage of being able to aim more accurately at a distance by using the vertical lines as a gauge when aiming.
Are either of those a cheat? Mine might have because of the source hack....but only was done to identify the crosshair better. btw, it was much better then using a blue dry erase marker to mark the crosshair, like I did previous to the motion crosshair. s8n's could be because it gave you an aim advantage for distances, and is not really for identifying the crosshair itself.
Textures:
I love 4th's texture pack...it looks sweet. I wish all of the textures were done though.
what if someone changed all the textures so they were all grey? players would stand out really well then (with sacrifice to depth perception as its harder to determine with the same color textures for everything).
menus, as I said, would not really give an advantage in game. dead point, but I brought it up simply because it was a modification to the game.
models:
What if someone used the default models, but adjusted the brightness of them? I see this as similar to gl_modulate. You decided(way back when) that modulate was a hack...so is any mod that makes things easier to see a hack(aka cheat)? What about gamma? you have in game gamma adjustment...and there is vid card adjustment. I can adjust my gamma so the darkest maps look bright as day(while sacrificing brilliant colors for a washed out display).
You allow the use of the old models in build 16. What about the original q2 models(with default skins)? What about a model found on the internet? what about a spiked model?
While some of these are obvious cheats, others are not so obvious.
I’m not trying to question your logic, but rather, I am wondering what the definitions of cheating are because so many people have different opinions on what should be allowable and what shouldn't.
-Derrek
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The quote problem has been mentioned in the forum update thread. I'll try to fix that this weekend. Send me your crosshairs and I'll see if I can include something similar in the next build. I think even S8N admitted that his crosshair didn't help any. I could include something similar, though, just to make it standard.
Changing all textures to grey would be a cheat. Modifying the texture brightness of the players would be a cheat. Gamma is hard to enforce. There are some people out there who genuinely have dark monitors and need to crank the gamma up in order to see what most people would see on the default settings. Others merely crank all the settings up as high as they'll go even though their monitor is already a standard brightness. These people will have an unfair advantage over people with dark monitors. In the future, I plan to make some kind of color profile wizard so that people can properly configure the game to look best on their monitor.
Spiked models are definitely a cheat. Q2 models... I've OK'd these in the past, but that was when people were having a hard time transitioning over from the Q2 mod, and pretty much everybody had Q2 and could just copy the files over. Now it's a bit more of a grey area. Lots of current players don't even have Quake2, and giving them the Q2 grunt model would be illegal. Also, the bounding box problems with the old standalone model have been fixed with the new model, so... I don't know, I guess I'd have to review the old grunt model to see if it gives people any advantage. If not, it's probably OK, but I wouldn't encourage it as I'll be adding more extensive file checking, so if you use these models it would be in your best interest to adapt to the new models and provide feedback about the things you don't like. Other downloadable models fall into this category, too. They would likely require heavy modifications in order to support 4 team colors. With cheat detection it's a lot simpler to just kill the grey areas and say "only use the standard models."
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Crash what do you need modified models for? All you do is sit behind boxes waiting for people to pass so you can shoot them in the back.
PS -- Just ban all of cP. Clipz, crash, jake.. They're all the same idiot.
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What about the scope, is that a hack? Or is it just the same as a handedness bind? Because i know alot of people use this.
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By the way, is there any way to stop letting people play with edited models?
I didn't even know that you can edit them so they "glow".Saw it on crash's video for the first time, and now im wondering how many people are playing with it =/
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Reed: no, anyone can use fov. The "scope" feature is just zooming in and out with fov. Jits has already approved this, and it really isn't that great of an advantage. Though it could probably be put into a future build so people don't think others have an advantage.
Matze: if there was an excellent anti hacking system, then yes. But that probably won't be around for awhile. The models in Crash's video were not glowing, he had just changed the colors. If they were glowing, it would look like the thread where the guy was running around with a yellowish-glow. Though it's technically not a hack, it isn't encouraged because people wonder what is going on. Meaning it'll probably fall under the hack category just because it's a distraction. There is another possibility for the smarter people who don't want to get caught, but that takes too long to do, so many people won't try to tackle it.
How can a hack and a cheat be different? I fail to understand how anyone could call the two different. They'll both get you banned.
edit: there is one exception, jits could force people to use one model. But that would make plently of complaints. It could be like the build 14 thing where you had to have it to enter the server.
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I tried that q2 Jump mappack, and the textures were missing, so the game was all grid-like. Wouldn't running a map in grid-mode er whatever be the same as using glow models? You'd need to make sure the models aren't glowing AND you'd have to make sure they are using the proper textures if you were gonna crack down on that.
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Modifig models is cheating? you kidding me... I was on blitz's website the other day hes got models on his ss's that are not the origional ss's... http://www.houstonareacomputers.com/files/blitz/woof.jpg so he should be banned too?
Also i want to clear one more thing up would chaning the color of the paintballs be a cheat?
Jitspoe: Maybe you should write a manual on whats a cheat and whats not. Thanks
Digi: Why should we be banned because were maybe a threat to your er33t girlfriends?
Just incase if blitz tried to deny it i got the ss off his site and posting it on here
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I don't think those are Blitz's skins, they look like someone else's. I could be wrong however.
/me shrugs
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Im just trying to prove a point that there are more people that use modified models. I dont think its a cheat i liked the q2 models. The pball ones are to skinny
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There are/were more people using wallhacks, too. That doesn't make them any less of a cheat. They give the user an unfair advantage.
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I don't like them personally but it's a matter of preference. In Counter-Strike the skins are locked down to realistic skins but in Rocket Arena or competitive Quake mods there are options which allow you to specify enemy/team colours which create an affect similar to what is seen in Crash's video.
That being said, anyone caught using modified models or skins in PBCup competition will be subject to Global Ban List discipline and possible suspension in running and future PBCup Events.
Otherwise, it was an interesting video. It's too bad that all the time and effort you spent editing and attaching the demos resulted in a global ban for what was seemingly innocent and common practice among lots of players :(
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Digi: Why should we be banned because were maybe a threat to your er33t girlfriends?
^ eh? a threat? I dont get it..? Do you have be a walrus to get that one? Explain.
Bain: Yeah, in ra3 it's cool how you can change your skin colours.. But then again, everyone can do it with ease.
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Good answer moron. I was asking a question and i get a pointless answer just like the rest from digi.
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Yeah, clipz is really one to talk about anyone hacking...
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Clipz: That wasn't sarcasm. I'm sorry your walrus ears took it like that. I really didnt understand what you said.
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digi: you're a pretty cool cat. Making fun of people is pretty mature. Two Thumbs Up!
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Clipz: Also i want to clear one more thing up would chaning the color of the paintballs be a cheat?
Yes, that is cheating when someone changes the color of the paintballs. They do it so their lame little aimbots wont pick up a red paintball and shoot at it thinking it was a red person.
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are the "green" paintballs in his video also not allowed?
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Digi... all i can say is just act your color white boy.
DirtyTaco: Yeah, i know alot about the hax seing i got caught yeah thats overwith. Also Its kind of cool info were i got them from? When i was in Prozak i was introduced by dirtytaco to the frkq2... I dowloaded it i didnt like it to much and deleted it. So next time were going to get into hacks remember were my sorce game from (PEIRCE)
I also want to add something.. If jitspoe didnt want the models intercoursed with wouldnt he make them so you cant edit them? Kind of like irc did. k thanks
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Clipz, who cares what music digi listens to and how he acts? Act your weight skank.
I also doubt dirtytaco gave you hacks. I highly doubt it.
And for the models, if you were smart enough you would know what a "limit" on the modification of them would be. They arent supposed to be modified to give you an advantage.
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People are d1cks.. People need to be quiet about how other people are; every little thing that's not perfect people have to cry about. If there's one thing i can't stand more, it's noobs making fun of clipz. Who the fu*k are you people to tell clipz what he is. It's immature and it needs to stop. Clipz doesn't do anything wrong to you guys besides maybe pwn you. If that's the only way you can get back at him, that's pretty sad. There's an old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" Some people should concider using that. If complaining isn't constructive, why waste you're time..? i would love to hear an answer for that.
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Spydie: you couldnt be any more wrong. Thats all I have to say.
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ty mike
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Digi... all i can say is just act your color white boy.
^ I know that's all you can say. That's all you HAVE said. and that's all you will continue saying. In reality, everyone knows you're just devistated by the fact that you've given up your health, life, and overall well being to play this game, and you still get smoked with ease. =(
I feel for you wally.
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digi... you care about this to much
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Yeah I know. That's why I'm the one who announces that I deleted dp, and come back 5 days later. You've only done this 75 times before. No one cares. You won't be missed. You'll just be remembered as the fat kid who wallhacked.
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" When i was in Prozak i was introduced by dirtytaco to the frkq2... I dowloaded it i didnt like it to much and deleted it. So next time were going to get into hacks remember were my sorce game from (PEIRCE)"
Trying to make it my fault. I expected this when i posted on this thread. I've never even had frkq2 on my computer, and the last time you were in cP when i was in it, I was using the alpha. I've been using the alpha since it came out. Thus, i would have no need for frkq2. Furthermore, whether someone introduced you to frkq2 or not, you were caught using penix, which im sure you and your little friends pass around and giggle.
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lol... This is just sad.
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Who is spydie? lmao.
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lmao. Who's james. i've been around here about 2 years.
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2 years? You got about -5 years on me :(
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still. two years should be enough to know me.
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I dont know you either. Not all of us are good enough to play only pubs.
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Bob shut your mouth your not old school in dp.
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The whole second half of this thread is pretty much all flaming, and I should probably delete all those posts, but I'm not going to waste my time. I think everything of value has already been discussed here. - jitler