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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: Bix on April 16, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
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Basically we matched Mili and was amazingly disappointed in them. After we won their map they refused to play Carp saying it was a FF if we played it. So we decided to play pbcup_renoir to avoid dispute. They refused to go to pbcup_renoir and instead went to pbcup_pforest where they refused to change the map. Sooo we decided to play it. They..
-DC'd 2 caps (disconnecting to prevent the other team from capping)
-went obs and back to their team to prevent revive caps.
This demo is a clear example of why people are turned off from matching.
EDIT: We matched them again today. Same exact thing happend. Here comes the consensus. Boycott #team_mili unless you enjoy matching clans that will disconnect when you have caps, and will go obs to avoid respawns, and also they will straight up refuse to play your map. So do yourself a favor and just avoid them.
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sure if you say so we where all playing around
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I agree i have matched MiLi many times and we have disputed over many things. They need to learn to deal with a loss every now and then.
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we do deal with it we laff have fun not like 3iob have a game plane whos going where.
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sure if you say so we where all playing around
It appeared more a valiant attempt to try to win. Not only did you choose our map for us basically, you then used every stupid tactic to try to win.
EDIT to prevent double post: I don't understand your english.
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I was not the one in the take of "Picking" your map i was idle playing a diff game.
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Cool.
Disconnecting to avoid caps and going observer so you won't revive and get capped on is REALLY fun. Also on the list of fun things is spamming and annoying the hell out of people in this community. So fun. And you think MiLi is going somewhere...?
WE ALL WANT IN OMG
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dude no one asked "U" as in we have fun not like [1311] playing only s33 yeah i know..
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Sorry don't see shazam 33 there.
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still look at spawn all he wants to play is "S33"
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Bix,
May I suggest that you create a new thread listing clans that you would not recommend matching against and stating reasons. Maybe that would at least bring a level of awareness to some players.
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Bix,
May I suggest that you create a new thread listing clans that you would not recommend matching against and stating reasons. Maybe that would at least bring a level of awareness to some players.
Right now the American clan scene is so small. That is part of the reason we made 3iob-T and that s2k made their training...to get more people into the match scene. Mili, Ij, and 3iob are really the only active American clans that I know of. The Euro clan scene seems to be going pretty strong and most of the experiences I have had with them recently have been good. I know cYr had a problem with Mili refusing to play on an Euro server, and the quality of match we just had with them was purely disappointing.
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Make some rules.... Starting off, give both teams login, if 1 team doesn't have it, don't play.
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Make some rules.... Starting off, give both teams login, if 1 team doesn't have it, don't play.
As you can see from the demo, they refused to tell us the login.
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As you can see from the demo, they refused to tell us the login.
I saw. Thats why I'm saying that it should be a rule, then if people take advantage of having it, then they ff, end of story.
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we played vs them. all 3 maps on american server and they were still flaming and saying we are the worst clan in dp. I think its a good sportsmanship to be fair enough to give them a chance to win a map/match but its unfair to be an idiot and flame others. @vanity,audiox and shep
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I know this won't fix the core issue (player sportsmanship), but... http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10038
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Regarding this, your loss today doesn't improve whole match scene either.
When you loose, loose like a man, change it in your record and don't kick from your channel.
And your constant saying euros this euros that doesn't help either. Shockingly, but some clans from Europe are also good. Fact that you don't have any real competition in USA is your problem. I never had a match against USA clan where I didn't hear same sht over and over again.
Dividing USA player base and EU player base leads to nothing. Our clan scene is minimal, so is your. And would be better for all if matches happens more often.
Not directed to you, I honestly can't remember who constantly trashed, but I know that after the match I was banned from #team_3iob by Dystro. Look, I honestly don't care if I'm idling there or not, I idled only because Jigsaw invited me couple of months ago. At least I showed support - thing that most of players from USA don't do.
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Regarding this, your loss today doesn't improve whole match scene either.
When you loose, loose like a man, change it in your record and don't kick from your channel.
And your constant saying euros this euros that doesn't help either. Shockingly, but some clans from Europe are also good. Fact that you don't have any real competition in USA is your problem. I never had a match against USA clan where I didn't hear same sht over and over again.
Dividing USA player base and EU player base leads to nothing. Our clan scene is minimal, so is your. And would be better for all if matches happens more often.
Not directed to you, I honestly can't remember who constantly trashed, but I know that after the match I was banned from #team_3iob by Dystro. Look, I honestly don't care if I'm idling there or not, I idled only because Jigsaw invited me couple of months ago. At least I showed support - thing that most of players from USA don't do.
You direct it at me, then say you aren't directing it at me?
We added the loss about 10 mins later, sorry.
EDIT: No one from 3iob banned you, Olbaid banned you for some reason.
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I gotta sign under edge's post. After seeing him banned and realizing 3iob had lost, I asked why there was no change in their record but just news in topic, and for that I got !kb. The reason for that was, let me quote dystro: "You aren't in this clan so don't talk". Can't call it a sportsmanship at all.
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I talked in regarding to this thread, not to you specifficly.
Didn't had to quit from of our channel after that.
3iob has one of the best if not the best record in history of dp, I don't see why certain someones are making such a big fuss over 1 match.
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EDIT: No one from 3iob banned you, Olbaid banned you for some reason.
[20:48:51] * edgecurhser was kicked by dystro (dystro)
[20:48:51] * dystro sets mode: +b *!*dgecrushe@*.user.globalgamers.net
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Poor sportsmanship happens in almost every match, but on topic with this thread: just leave and add a win. They probably will add a win too, but they already have a fake record.
Most reasons of people giving up, is cause they know they will lose badly, and figure 'well we will lose might as well have fun' or 'they FF'. But the reason of this could also be, if they lose 50-0 or something, they will get harassed with screenshots of how they suck. So it works both ways. If a clan is respectable, plays and loses then don't brag and post screenshots. But you have often come on vent to talk crap to many people, so you ever think you could be part of the reason? Although you haven't done it for a while, you use to do it alot, not that people took you seriously or cared much.
Don't match them if they wanna be idiots, but then again with only a few clans out there.... hard to do that. Also, alot of people ban everyone when they lose, it's part of their raging. If you say: addloss? or anything, your gonneee!!!
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We matched Mili again today. Sadly nothing as changed. They went obs then joined back up again really quick right as respawns would be coming around. They then tried to say 'i was going to sub' yet it was 3v3 with 6 people in the server. Horrible tactics, i feel this will be the last time we play them
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Don't play anyone in that group of kids and problems will solve themselves :D.
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Don't play anyone in that group of kids and problems will solve themselves :D.
That is what we're going to do, hopefully the clan scene will follow.
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Same thing JUST happened.
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Boycott #team_mili unless you enjoy matching clans that will disconnect when you have caps, and will go obs to avoid respawns, and also they will straight up refuse to play your map. So do yourself a favor and just avoid them. That was our final thought.
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lol.
DP Match Rule #1: Do not play with that group of kids.
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ROFL man they raging at me D:
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Because you are cheap, and it just means people will just never play with you if you continue to play like that.
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Hey was not me i was at baseball so don't say me<---
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Your clan / group of people then....
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Thank You.....
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Hey was not me i was at baseball so don't say me<---
Not you? What were YOU and your clan doing yesterday? I am 100% sure you in that match. They just continued their actions today.
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Not you? What were YOU and your clan doing yesterday? I am 100% sure you in that match. They just continued their actions today.
Bix, they can't accept a loss if you haven't already realized :P and that's why i refuse to ever clan with any of them, or talk to any of them.
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You always talk to shockwave LIES
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You always talk to shockwave LIES
You might wanna go back and edit that from talk to argue with him.
Edit: I should show you how much he spams me but i am not at my house i am at my aunts leaving for a festival.
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A baseball game and a festival fixes all! Therefore, no one is to blame!
p.s. my posts are always responsive to the intelligence level of the posts before my own. :P
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A baseball game and a festival fixes all! Therefore, no one is to blame!
p.s. my posts are always responsive to the intelligence level of the posts before my own. :P
I seriously did not catch on to that... what?
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Mili, Ij, and 3iob are really the only active American clans that I know of.
FYI, uR is the most active american clan. BY FAR.
(sorry if you cant understand what im saying bix)
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FYI, uR is the most active american clan. BY FAR.
(sorry if you cant understand what im saying bix)
For some reason I forgot uR, and they are very active.
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1311 did the go obs to not revive thing to get them flag points that is sad because after that we capped for the game please let this featurevote pass...this gets really annoying.
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FYI uR.b is basically the same clan as Milli was and continues with their douchebaggery. DC to prevent cap and such. We still win of course, but I don't think they should be matched if there is an alternative.
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FYI uR.b is basically the same clan as Milli was and continues with their douchebaggery. DC to prevent cap and such. We still win of course, but I don't think they should be matched if there is an alternative.
L o L, henrod dont make me pull out the s2k Demos, PLEASE dont make me do that. What happened was Vanity RAGED, and SMU didnt wanna 2 v 1 so He DCed. LOL "We still win of course" PM me on IRC, we can match anytime, see if you will win.
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FYI uR.b is basically the same clan as Milli was and continues with their douchebaggery. DC to prevent cap and such. We still win of course, but I don't think they should be matched if there is an alternative.
s2k wins matches? Since when? Oh, and I suppose s2k is the ideal clan too there Henrod... you with your inability to control your own clanmates and the sheer immaturity displayed by half of your members.
Really an idealistic clan which one should strive to imitate. Laugh.
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why can't yall just accept that you did the DC mays? Once is fine but if it happens multiple times thats when it starts to get REALLY annoying..mili...if you did it once who cares it was once just start accepting that you did it. And stop putting all this on henrod, he has done a lot for this community by putting up match servers and helping out new people to this game. s2k isn't bad at all either atmays don't know why you would bring that up when it deals with something non-related to what henrod said.
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why can't yall just accept that you did the DC mays? Once is fine but if it happens multiple times thats when it starts to get REALLY annoying..mili...if you did it once who cares it was once just start accepting that you did it. And stop putting all this on henrod, he has done a lot for this community by putting up match servers and helping out new people to this game. s2k isn't bad at all either atmays don't know why you would bring that up when it deals with something non-related to what henrod said.
Obviously you care since 1311 did it once and you decided to post and complain about it. And he did admit it.
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why can't yall just accept that you did the DC mays? Once is fine but if it happens multiple times thats when it starts to get REALLY annoying..mili...if you did it once who cares it was once just start accepting that you did it. And stop putting all this on henrod, he has done a lot for this community by putting up match servers and helping out new people to this game. s2k isn't bad at all either atmays don't know why you would bring that up when it deals with something non-related to what henrod said.
When I play, NOONE in my clan DC, Thats a sure way to get kicked. Not taking anything from Henrod, He does do alot for this game. Not the issue. As most people in this game SHOULD know, I dont sit back and let anyone take shots at my clan. Especially when its half truth and his clan is worst at it. Navy I dont ever recalling any uR DCing while matching you. Navy dont hop to defend someone on the basis you are mad at me, for banning you for immaturity and not accepting you in uR, I was offering to renew the friendship and you told me to intercourse off. So what more can I do. Mili is Dead I beleive and so is this thread. I did take in 3 players from mili to uR.b, and I havent talked to Vanity bout the DC situation, I will when we're on at same time. Next time PM me with your problems, and I will work with you best I can to resolve the issue. Thank you.
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L o L, henrod dont make me pull out the s2k Demos, PLEASE dont make me do that. What happened was Vanity RAGED, and SMU didnt wanna 2 v 1 so He DCed. LOL "We still win of course" PM me on IRC, we can match anytime, see if you will win.
s2k wins matches? Since when? Oh, and I suppose s2k is the ideal clan too there Henrod... you with your inability to control your own clanmates and the sheer immaturity displayed by half of your members.
Really an idealistic clan which one should strive to imitate. Laugh.
Is uR an ideal clan? Seeing as nearly half of their former members have been banned for hacking or Multiple accounts, I don't think it is.
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Is uR an ideal clan? Seeing as nearly half of their former members have been banned for hacking or Multiple accounts, I don't think it is.
Did I say we strive to be an "ideal clan"? No. Do I care what you or any of the community thinks of my clan? I used to care, but seeing as there are few clans that show the same level of respect that we show them, why should we care? I was merely calling Henrod out; he should not criticize other clans before taking into account the actions of his own clan.
And the irony of your entire post, Rick, is just purely comical. He who is banned for 3 years calls my clan out for former hackers and multi-accounts? Oh please, your judgement is OH so valuable here. Perhaps you'd be better off looking here Rick : http://www.dplogin.com/gbl/banlist.php
Counting those days until you're allowed to come play this game again. You're oh so missed by the way.
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Did I say we strive to be an "ideal clan"? No. Do I care what you or any of the community thinks of my clan? I used to care, but seeing as there are few clans that show the same level of respect that we show them, why should we care? I was merely calling Henrod out; he should not criticize other clans before taking into account the actions of his own clan.
And the irony of your entire post, Rick, is just purely comical. He who is banned for 3 years calls my clan out for former hackers and multi-accounts? Oh please, your judgement is OH so valuable here. Perhaps you'd be better off looking here Rick : http://www.dplogin.com/gbl/banlist.php
Counting those days until you're allowed to come play this game again. You're oh so missed by the way.
boolut/slvrbullet/want3d/aimb0t/emin3m (15005)
Reason: Distributing cheats, Speed cheat, Aimbot
Created: 2008-03-21 21:30:07, Modified: 2009-03-30 15:05:42, Expires: 2012-03-22 14:22:32
Days Left: 1066.6
Discussion: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16903
All I found, sorry.
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Soo..this thread basically killed Mili since no one would match them. Now they are in uR.b doing the same thing...tsk tsk.
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insignia put them into retirement :D cos when we beat them fluke said oh **** mili - can i join isi? LOL we said no
and please guys stay on topic and dont rage out do it on msn or irc or vent just not here :/
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insignia only plays against corp =) darn u really are good u beat mili!!!!!!!! and someone here cares that u said no LOL ?
you prolly were going to say that LMFAO LOL NO we beat cyr once we are the best euro clan now !"!=!=!= just save it.
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Did I say we strive to be an "ideal clan"? No. Do I care what you or any of the community thinks of my clan? I used to care, but seeing as there are few clans that show the same level of respect that we show them, why should we care? I was merely calling Henrod out; he should not criticize other clans before taking into account the actions of his own clan.
so trying to have fun hle playing isn't what it's all about? becaue tha's what i try to do when i play. SORRY FOR HAVING FUN FITZ MAYBE I'LL PISS MYSELF OFF AND BE BORED NEXT TIME I PLAY YOU
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When I play, NOONE in my clan DC, Thats a sure way to get kicked. Not taking anything from Henrod, He does do alot for this game. Not the issue. As most people in this game SHOULD know, I dont sit back and let anyone take shots at my clan. Especially when its half truth and his clan is worst at it. Navy I dont ever recalling any uR DCing while matching you. Navy dont hop to defend someone on the basis you are mad at me, for banning you for immaturity and not accepting you in uR, I was offering to renew the friendship and you told me to intercourse off. So what more can I do. Mili is Dead I beleive and so is this thread. I did take in 3 players from mili to uR.b, and I havent talked to Vanity bout the DC situation, I will when we're on at same time. Next time PM me with your problems, and I will work with you best I can to resolve the issue. Thank you.
First of all you weren't renewing excrement. Second of all you said that you will check with vanity...did you not just tell us he raged? More of this is coming out. Anyways i could care less that you banned me off of anything i surely know i wasn't being immature.
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Apparently you didnt read my posts, Never denied vanity Raged.
Im done with this, didnt mean to make you mad navy. Dont know how you got into this or what made you come on here.
Henrods cool and I can understand his frustrations but Dont say it was uR.b when it was vanity.
EDIT: Vanity was only one who quit and Raged, tahts from what SMU told me. Never Denied that not once in this thread. uR has done all the same things Henrod is doing now, put up servers and whatever he claims hes doing.
Never said anything bout winning or losing. Its More about your clan mates, Switching teams in middle of match. Once yall get the kills needed, Start Capping while we wait to revive. This happened multiple times. ANd we beat s2k million times more than they beat us, if you want to bring records into this.
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lol, hadn't checked this in a couple days I guess. Rage much Atmays and Fitz? Didn't realize you had so much pent up anger towards me and my clan. Your uR.b team dc'd to prevent a cap and then rage quit in tie when they realized they wouldn't win. Both players had the tag on, so if Vanity wasn't in the clan, you should be able to control your players enough to not let their friends spoof the tag.
L o L, henrod don't make me pull out the s2k Demos, PLEASE don't make me do that. What happened was Vanity RAGED, and SMU didn't wanna 2 v 1 so He DCed. LOL "We still win of course" PM me on IRC, we can match anytime, see if you will win.
Don't really understand what pulling demos would accomplish so I don't quite understand your pleas. I have many demo's of wins as well as losses while playing uR. The difference between our clans is that somehow you are unable to accept this and it angers you that we can and have beat you. Our clan has never dc'd to prevent a cap or rage quit a match. Your training clan has and your clan has often refused to even play our maps.
s2k wins matches? Since when? Oh, and I suppose s2k is the ideal clan too there Henrod... you with your inability to control your own clanmates and the sheer immaturity displayed by half of your members.
Really an idealistic clan which one should strive to imitate. Laugh.
As far as us winning matches and your inability to accept it, look at my response to Atmays. Yes, I have members that talk trash, you have the ability to control this by typing ignore all. As far as you laughing at us being an ideal (or even with a stretch idyllic) clan to try to imitate, you are the only one who said that genius. It's also too bad spellcheck can't help your vocabulary.
BTW our clan is idealistic. We believe that this game is more than the same 10 maps over and over again, we have members mapping, we are setting up servers, we spend time improving our gaming experience.
... I was merely calling Henrod out; he should not criticize other clans before taking into account the actions of his own clan....
I simply stated the facts and I will reiterate that having mouthy clanmembers is not the same as disconnecting and rage quitting. One is avoidable by ignoring players, the other is a blatant disrespect for the clan, the game, and the match.
...Henrods cool and I can understand his frustrations but Dont say it was uR.b when it was vanity.
Nice 180 Atmays. Almost as good as this one by Fitz.
From the Zpar11 thread in Mapping
...Mid low is pretty much useless too as Henrod's team basically sits high and pegs anybody who comes in. Even if you do some sort of low speed jump flawlessly, they always manage to shoot you in the ass from their high. It's a good tactic, but it sort of eliminates the desired "more than one path mentality".
Way to attack my clan specifically. I didn't say anything about you or your clan and I was purposefully ambiguous to avoid bringing our differences to the forums. I have many screenshots of playing your team on that map. I see you in 1 match there, which brings me to my next point. I believe DT said "Suggestions from people that have matched on it will be taken the most seriously as that is ultimately what it is meant for."
I do have a couple of screenshots showing 40 point plus deficits against UR there in less the 12 minutes. Don't really know how that happens when all we do is "sit high and peg people". I believe the fact that we have 60 of 64 points on one of those screenshots from capping proves conclusively that it is a multipath map. There are several combinations of paths available whether low or high, I truly don't understand how it "eliminates the more than one path mentality".
I did not doubt the fact that you kicked our ass everytime we played you there; I was actually complementing you for it. s2k is by far the most experienced clan in regards to this map, so the validity of your judgements is unquestionable. We did, however, play you on the map and we know how you play. The only time you lost to us was when I sat on 2 and camped the whole map. In regards to your playing style, You sit high and peg people no matter what "combination of paths" people take. Once you shoot one or two people, you rush in on the remaining member(s), grab, cap, etc. What I was trying to say but you obviously took as a personal attack, is that if somebody sits high and camps, it's virtually impossible to rush no matter what path is taken. Again, there goes the whole multipath approach.
Yes, once you get closer to base there's multiple paths, but there's ultimately one path that all these combinations end near and that's the hump which is easily campable via that high bridge - don't deny it.
As for matching on it, I've matched plenty of times on it, maybe not against you but certainly against others. Not to mention the time I've put in to finding out random jumps... considering nobody in my clan can jump properly meaning I have to find all the jumps myself.
You have to be a lot closer to the flag to hit 2; the person sitting there has time to peg you as you approach it. I know because I did it.
Guy goes from bagging on my team to bagging on his own team in two consecutive posts. Too bad Fitz's loyalty to his clan doesn't match the fervor of Atmay's. As I said in the zpar thread I'd rather not burden the community with our differences, so please stop attacking my clan and I in the forums and I won't have to continue making you look foolish.
I apologize for the length of my post, but I am not as concise as my good friend Nub who would have simply replied;
"COOL STORY HANSEL"
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Apparently you didnt read my posts, Never denied vanity Raged.
Im done with this, didnt mean to make you mad navy. Dont know how you got into this or what made you come on here.
Henrods cool and I can understand his frustrations but Dont say it was uR.b when it was vanity.
EDIT: Vanity was only one who quit and Raged, tahts from what SMU told me. Never Denied that not once in this thread. uR has done all the same things Henrod is doing now, put up servers and whatever he claims hes doing.
Never said anything bout winning or losing. Its More about your clan mates, Switching teams in middle of match. Once yall get the kills needed, Start Capping while we wait to revive. This happened multiple times. ANd we beat s2k million times more than they beat us, if you want to bring records into this.
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Nub thats your cue.
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Apparently you didnt read my posts, Never denied vanity Raged.
Im done with this, didnt mean to make you mad navy. Dont know how you got into this or what made you come on here.
Henrods cool and I can understand his frustrations but Dont say it was uR.b when it was vanity.
EDIT: Vanity was only one who quit and Raged, tahts from what SMU told me. Never Denied that not once in this thread. uR has done all the same things Henrod is doing now, put up servers and whatever he claims hes doing.
Never said anything bout winning or losing. Its More about your clan mates, Switching teams in middle of match. Once yall get the kills needed, Start Capping while we wait to revive. This happened multiple times. ANd we beat s2k million times more than they beat us, if you want to bring records into this.
Atmays provide s2k and I with demos of you beating s2k 'million times more' and s2k will add a million loses.
Don't get why you keep bringing wins and loses into this and keep trying to say your clan is 'better', seeing as nearly half of the people that have been in your clan has either:
a)Wallhacked
b)Multi-Accounted
c)Constantly abused s2k(Fitz, Weezy)
I don't see how it is better.
Also, c) is mostly why s2k changed teams once or twice.
I remember playing Fitz and you and we went to tie (I KNOW, THAT MUST'VE BEEN THE FIRST HUH MAYS?) Fitz said straight up that you and him would not choose any of our tie suggestions and that we had to choose one of yours. I also remember Fitz saying that he would get Starz not to match s2k anymore and that uR would never match us again.
Pretty funny in my opinion.
Bring in my ban if you want, I really don't care what you or your clan think of me.(Except Homingbullet ofcourse)
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EU match scene > NA match scene
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EU match scene > NA match scene
Ditto.
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EU match scene > NA match scene
that coming from a player, who does /nick viper´ggdpisdead every 3 months, makes it even more impressive :D
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EU match scene > NA match scene
Agreed
Atmays provide s2k and I with demos of you beating s2k 'million times more' and s2k will add a million loses.
Don't get why you keep bringing wins and loses into this and keep trying to say your clan is 'better', seeing as nearly half of the people that have been in your clan has either:
a)Wallhacked
b)Multi-Accounted
c)Constantly abused s2k(Fitz, Weezy)
I don't see how it is better.
Also, c) is mostly why s2k changed teams once or twice.
I remember playing Fitz and you and we went to tie (I KNOW, THAT MUST'VE BEEN THE FIRST HUH MAYS?) Fitz said straight up that you and him would not choose any of our tie suggestions and that we had to choose one of yours. I also remember Fitz saying that he would get Starz not to match s2k anymore and that uR would never match us again.
Pretty funny in my opinion.
Bring in my ban if you want, I really don't care what you or your clan think of me.(Except Homingbullet ofcourse)
I wasnt one who brought Wins/Losses into this. When I said I will get Demos, It was because Henrod suggested that no one should play b squad cause of how they Behave, and I have demos of s2k acting like idiots also. So dont be a hypocrit, INSTEAD he could of brought issue to my attention first instead of posting in forums.
What do a few people in our FORMER members, that have hacked, have to do with uR? Dont understand why that keep being brought up.
Dont recall me and fitz ever saying YOU have to play our maps, cause we are not picking one of yours. We have said we are not playing beta maps that you constantly suggested.
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Don't really understand what pulling demos would accomplish so I don't quite understand your pleas. I have many demo's of wins as well as losses while playing uR. The difference between our clans is that somehow you are unable to accept this and it angers you that we can and have beat you. Our clan has never dc'd to prevent a cap or rage quit a match. Your training clan has and your clan has often refused to even play our maps.
As far as us winning matches and your inability to accept it, look at my response to Atmays. Yes, I have members that talk trash, you have the ability to control this by typing ignore all. As far as you laughing at us being an ideal (or even with a stretch idyllic) clan to try to imitate, you are the only one who said that genius. It's also too bad spellcheck can't help your vocabulary.
BTW our clan is idealistic. We believe that this game is more than the same 10 maps over and over again, we have members mapping, we are setting up servers, we spend time improving our gaming experience.
I simply stated the facts and I will reiterate that having mouthy clanmembers is not the same as disconnecting and rage quitting. One is avoidable by ignoring players, the other is a blatant disrespect for the clan, the game, and the match.
Nice 180 Atmays. Almost as good as this one by Fitz.
From the Zpar11 thread in Mapping
Guy goes from bagging on my team to bagging on his own team in two consecutive posts. Too bad Fitz's loyalty to his clan doesn't match the fervor of Atmay's. As I said in the zpar thread I'd rather not burden the community with our differences, so please stop attacking my clan and I in the forums and I won't have to continue making you look foolish.
I apologize for the length of my post, but I am not as concise as my good friend Nub who would have simply replied;
"COOL STORY HANSEL"
Dear, dear Henry... Where should I start?
If s2k is an "ideal" clan (which is your perspective clearly), so be it. I simply stated that s2k is not "ideal" from our perspective due to the actions that you do. The reason why I seem to despise your clan is derived from the few times that I did match you. Do you remember those times?
Rick certainly does in his little skewed mindset here:
I remember playing Fitz and you and we went to tie (I KNOW, THAT MUST'VE BEEN THE FIRST HUH MAYS?) Fitz said straight up that you and him would not choose any of our tie suggestions and that we had to choose one of yours.
We did not say we were not going to choose any of your maps, we specified that we would not choose any of the maps that you suggested, which as I recall were something like soccer1, routez, and other maps that I'm sure the community would regard as terrible. Regardless, this was at 3:30am for some individuals (myself included) and we wanted to get it over with. We suggested something like 20 playable maps as I recall, and your clanmates just sat there for half an hour insisting we play a map that we supposedly "picked". We insisted you suggest more, but as I recall, the spam just continued.
Now WHO in their right mind wants to waste over an hour trying to pick a tie map at 3:30am? Furthermore, who wants to read in between hundreds of lines of text in a server to try to figure out a tie? How can I "ignore all" if you and your clanmates need to suggest more maps? Perhaps now you can see where our frustration stems from?
As for "bagging" my own clan, we belittle eachother constantly, whether it be on vent or on the forums. That's the relationship we have, and I'm dreadfully sorry if you didn't catch that.
If you have a problem with underrated, then let it be known. Such actions that uR.b did are not tolerated in our "main" clan, nor I do expect them to be tolerated in other clans. Actions that your clan does would also not be tolerated in our clan.
Thus, we have our differences. I'm sorry if your leadership abilities and clan policies are not to my liking. Actions that you deem acceptable are not considered aceptable by us, and that's what I've been trying to state. Obviously our opinion is of no concern to you, however. How you run your clan and the actions of your clan is not of my business, however, and I will not say anything of the matter from now on. I wish you luck with your clan Henrod, and I look forward to matching you in the near future.
As for uR.b, it is dead anyways. This thread should be dead. The members in uR.b have left to other clans and their actions are of no concern to us anymore.
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pretty sure routez is playable fitz, sorry you can't take a slower paced match.
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Poor uR n friends...
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pretty sure routez is playable fitz, sorry you can't take a slower paced match.
Ya, because shooting from jail and capping within 5 seconds makes for a good match.
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Or...the clan scene is declining because people fight like this on IRC and matches.
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It really is. It's hard to find a group of people who can just sit back and take a loss. I admit I can lose it sometimes but I know its not nearly as bad as some of the people in the clan scene. The problem is I don't believe there's any way to fix it. Taking into account what Henrod said, we can all just ignore all at the beginning or just ignore annoying players. For the most part it might make playing more enjoyable.
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better match 1311 cuz er33t is 2scared to paly on euro :/
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Didn't meini rage quit after CC ruined his clans perfect record?
To restate myself
"Brand equity has far more clout than a perfect record"
I dont care about meini ^^
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Maybe you should.
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The "Clan Scene" is dieing for the same reason Starbucks started closing stores.
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You're right. The economy is causing the downfall of paintball.
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You're right. The economy is causing the downfall of paintball.
AGREEEEEEEEEEEED! +1
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Olbaid, is right about Routez.
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Olbaid, is right about Routez.
+1
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You're right. The economy is causing the downfall of paintball.
The original downfall was when Starbucks started opening new locations every ten minutes. This changed the Starbucks name/image from "sophisticated " to "trendy" or "a household name" giving consumers less of a reason to walk in. Quite a few of the Brand Name downfalls started way before the recession. Dont be such a media tool.
the Clan scene became trendy. That started the problem.
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the Clan scene became trendy. That started the problem.
hmm, no.
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Net, fact that you heard/read this somewhere doesn't makes you an expert. It's ridicilous how you are comparing apples with pies.
Marketing/Economy has absolutely nothing to do and can not be compared to a free video game. Pricing and it's elasticity contributed more in SB, while regarding paintball, people must realise - this is an old game, with old graphics. Kids just aren't interested in it. There are alot of free games based on new engines and PB can't cope with them. Also population playing it is getting older (less free time) while no new players are beeing attracted to the scene. And considering that if someone dares to come on irc he will be instantly trashed in most cases.
We actually have a big match scene - it grows during summers, it falls during rest of the year. It won't go up, it will stay like this or fall.
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Most dedicated players are too old to be on all the time, or every day. The only ones left really for newbies to learn from are the clan-hoppers, who teach them bad and unwanted habits. The 'decent minded' newbies would think tactics like this are stupid and quit, or the 'who cares' newbies would join and pick up the bad habits of the clan hopping scene.
That's why for newbie's to become decent, they'd have to be shown and taught enjoyable maps for matching, unlike Airtime1, and how to play proper in a match, not just disconnect or go obs when convenient for them. And for those who will complain about me saying A1 is a bad map, get over it. There is no full spectrum of play on that map, all players have to do is get lucky spraying over mid, no jumping, speed, or scenarios are learned on that map. (even though bad players are still going to come on here and try to defend Air1, why do I bother)
So, it's because of the 'cheap' players that make up the clan scene today who are causing the downfall of it. All they appeal to newbies is that "cheap tactics to win" is what the clan scene is about, and not "fully enjoyable matches on fun maps," so they don't even bother getting involved in clans.
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That's why for newbie's to become decent, they'd have to be shown and taught enjoyable maps for matching, unlike Airtime1, and how to play proper in a match, not just disconnect or go obs when convenient for them. And for those who will complain about me saying A1 is a bad map, get over it. There is no full spectrum of play on that map, all players have to do is get lucky spraying over mid, no jumping, speed, or scenarios are learned on that map. (even though bad players are still going to come on here and try to defend Air1, why do I bother)
So, it's because of the 'cheap' players that make up the clan scene today who are causing the downfall of it. All they appeal to newbies is that "cheap tactics to win" is what the clan scene is about, and not "fully enjoyable matches on fun maps," so they don't even bother getting involved in clans.
Not to necessarily defend a1 as a good match map (I personally hate playing it), it is a decent map to start out on for a new clan. It was one of the few maps uR started on due to its simplicity. It also taught us how to set up on people and provided good opportunities for us to practice our teamwork (3v1s, when to advance, when to camp, etc). Jumping was nonexistant, but eh, that's what jump maps are for I guess. The way it's played now is extremely boring, though, with the whole spray and pray mentality (guilty as charged).
I only say this because community deemed "good" maps are often overwhelming for new players. I remember playing pforest for the first time and I didn't know where to look first. DT's maps are truly amazing, but they're simply too fast paced for those who are starting out.
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Jusu +1
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Fitz, you're right that its ok if the whole clan is new, and they are working on their recon and teamwork. (since they don't know better) But there are clans like ur, 1311, and I think sq who choose Air1 or similar maps at times, which doesn't allow for improvement (or enjoyment)
Also, there's no excuse for teams who pick up a new player and say, "he doesn't know any other maps" to play boring maps. I'll admit when I first got into CC I wasn't experienced at strategic maps like carp, renoir, pforest, etc. and it was a cap-fest on me. (don't worry, we still never lost) But that's the only way I could learn them and improve. But once I learned how to play and recon those more complex maps, I learned how easy it was to move and recon through all the complex maps. Once players learn those kinds of maps, its easily adaptable to all of the maps. Meaning that once you learn to effectively play a few complex maps, you can comfortably play any map and any new released map without getting confused by paths or recon.
Also for clans who pick up new players, and the new player doesn't know their recon (or doesn't know better), all the clan does is yell at the new player. They don't even let him figure out where what is. If you do that, all they'll do is quit, and the clan scene will lose another player. CC told me where to go and what to do by spec'cing me if I was the only one alive, and when I got better, I understood and knew better. Then they were able to laugh at me whenever I did stupid stuff. But before the times of laughing at me, they made sure I knew better.
And 1 more thing for the players who claim they don't know the maps or strategies, spec people that play them in matches, or watch their demo's. That's how I learned quite a bit from CC before I even joined them, I would spec their matches (and listening to what they were doing on Ventrilo). It helps you understand teamwork and what to do at certain times.
/end newbie testimony
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Hit it dead on Jusu, nicely said.
We did laugh at you a lot.
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I understand im new to all of this so can't really add much to the discussion...but I feel that the clan scene from what I've experience has been alright...its hard for newer players to find there feet but after you idle in IRC and listen in to matchs like Justin said it becomes easier and I must say although im applying for their trainee team s2k and their crew have been great and making me feel welcome. I don't feel its declining at all, im new and yet im not being put off but the occassional poor clans or players.
TC.
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To be quite honest I don't think this discussion is necessary, considering that the clan scene varies like how many people have swine flu. 5 have it 2 die. 4 more get it. 4 die ect. Not a very nice way to say it, but its true :)
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To be quite honest I don't think this discussion is necessary, considering that the clan scene varies like how many people have swine flu. 5 have it 2 die. 4 more get it. 4 die ect. Not a very nice way to say it, but its true :)
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yes now we're blaming the clan scene declining on the economy and swine flu, it all makes sense now.
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To be quite honest I don't think this discussion is necessary, considering that the clan scene varies like how many people have swine flu. 5 have it 2 die. 4 more get it. 4 die ect. Not a very nice way to say it, but its true :)
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LOL so wrong, swine flu is less harmful than the normal flu, 1 out of every 500 die. You'd be lucky to get it instead of the normal flu.