Digital Paint Discussion Board
Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: [b]east on February 09, 2006, 08:32:05 AM
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http://rapidshare.de/files/12877644/1.dm2.html
i think he hacked.u must copy this link in ur url line oda so
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Translation:
I accuse Oscar of (wall)hacking. You have to copy and paste the URL. (Well, not really...)
i think he hacked.u must copy this link in ur url line oda so
I'll have a look at the demo, when I'm back home.
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I'd say that's pretty suspicious...
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Do you really have to use rapid share. It is sooo bad. Sometimes you have to wait ages there, but there are stupid problems and I can't download the file. I find it unlikely that oscar would hack.
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I put the demo on my second webspace.
Here you are: http://home.arcor.de/bitmate/demos/oscar_wallhack.dm2
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Alright! Ill be honest... I did get a hack from an anonymous site but it wasn't intended for Pb it was for Q2. I heard from a friend that it may work on Pb so I tried it on a server with not many good people (except Tox). It worked but I was caught ;( . Anyway, sorry for taking advantage of Pb and I've deleted the file so don't worry. Besides I only used it once and it wasn't that clear so aswell as giving my computer a virus (Trojan Horse) I've now had to reformat it... Sorry, this won't happen again!
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awe how sweet
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i don't know if thats the truth but if i caught u a second time i will send a second demo :P
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Yeah! Please do! I swear I've deleted it and now my computer is screwed and Pb is forever lagged for some reason? Can anyone help?
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omFgGg If this kid is not banned I will hold a strike against admins.
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omFgGg If this kid is not banned I will hold a strike against admins.
seconded, reminds me of tracey williams or w/e his name was... arnold 0wn3d him
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'Oh the Horror'. -Apocalypse now
Oscar,
1st Prepair yourself for a lynching. Little Boy, what were you thinking?
2nd I can help. If they decide to let you play. Reformat dirve. Reload Q2. Stay away from PB for a month or what ever your lynching equates to. If you need q2 DP just ask I have the no cd version of q2 with all mods and maps etc....
All,
He was real quick to admit up to this, which is also suspicious. Just being cautious, spoofing has happened before, as we all know. If he did cheat he should divulge the location of the hack to the proper athority and who gave him the link and start punishing from there otherwise perm-ban.
Thats my opinion, whats yours?
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he said he was sorry.. cant we all just get along :p
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Also, admins need to use the sv_minclientbuild settings so basic q2 hacks simply will not work.
Who is the (>^.^)> fellow?
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It's Kirby, of course.
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All he has to do is rat-out his dirt bag 'friends' who gave him a cheat with a virus. He has been helpful so far. Oscar lad, tell us who gave you this hack + virus. Untill you do, you should be banned, sorry.
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Welcome to the club of people that will never be trusted again Oscar. ;D
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OSCAR, Please dont post that here but tell it Jitspoe in a PM.
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Loial, why do you believe his story? Thats the EXACT same story I gave when I was caught hacking. Dont fall for it...
I feel Oscar should be banned just like I was, but I know that wont happen.
Jitspoe: the minclient build thing will never happen on the GT servers simply because Picasso only uses q2 on them, sharon uses build 10 or something and snipen uses build 10 or something.
PS. Admins ban Pinobot.
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Ok, I had the hack link given to me by my mate at school who I do fun matches with on Q2. The link too me to site called ***NAME REMOVED***. I know there is no way of showing you that I have deleted the hack but you have to believe me, if I had kept it and I WAS caught I wouldn't want to risk permanent ban so you've gotta believe me on this one. But thatnks for not banning me (at the moment). (^.^) and I have no idea who the "Dancing Kirby" guy is.
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Oscar, thanks for the link that I forgot to mentioned should have been sent to Jitspoe. Three more questions if you dont mind. What names does this player use, who gave you this link and what q2 games (mods) does he play in? Lastly, who else do you know personally that has accessed this link.
Skeet,
I have not forgot about you. Moron? me perhaps. But I was speaking the truth and that is, regardless of how someone else acts you and others dont have to act like 'The Queens of Flame' to make a point.
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Meh, Im being brutally honest with this kid. Loial, these kids in pub are soooo annoying they deserve every flame they get. And by calling you a moron you know Im messing around boy
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Fighting fire with fire is never a good strategy.
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P!nk i was banned the first time for hacking(perm ban), bans were lifted and I was playing pub with picasso and snipen and I was banned for reasons i still dont know of(perm) bans were lifted or something and i was banned again so on and so forth, i dont care anymore though
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i dont care anymore though
You sir are a liar. Good day. Sorry man but you done everything wrong but be a nice guy, even then you goofed up.
All concerned,
I have rcon access to a server that is played frequently and constantly running. So that kind of makes me an admin, a sucky admin but one none the less. Here is my opinion, yet again. Until a global ban can be done, all admins have the right to do what they see fit, this right should carry over until someone can figure out a way for servers to get an "Official Server" status. In doing this you can force admins to upgrade and to adhere to an official server rules list. Lastly the above is a pipe dream and would be the best route to go. I also agree with the DP court thingy, good idea.
On to Oscar and other simular current situations. We need to punish these people and make them talk. Clearly current punishments in place are not enough to deter such behavior. This is not working. Some of these people live to see what they can get away with. Just think, someone who gave him the link to the virus hack is more guilty then him. This person is laughing there ass off.
Oscar,
Do you think its fair that this 'friend' of yours who gave you a virus and a hack that got you banned can still play and worse laugh at you. You can help stop this.
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He could of kept the hack, he just should of not used it in public and/or a match at any given time. He was probably thinking he could get away with it, though he knew the risks.
If my guess it correct, he admitted to it only after realizing that the people that got the lowest punishments were usually the ones that were honest from the beginning. If this is not the case, it could get very complicated. If someone from another game gave him the link, there is nothing we can do about it. If it was someone from here, they could face some hefty stuff for distributing wallhacks.
This isn't any different from other cases of hacking, so he should receive what the others receive. A temporary ban for the first time, permanent for the second. It really wouldn't be fair to give this fellow a permanent ban if he admitted to it in a shorter amount of time then others have done in the past, there is really no reason to change that. It would cause arguments. "I got a permanent ban, but that guy over there just got a temporary ban for the same thing, what gives?"
This isn't directed at you at all, Loial, but at what people are saying right here in a steady stream.
Oscar: I must shame the fact that it seems almost as if you're treating us like admins metaphorically. Meaning you may be trying what others have done to not get banned. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way at all, but that has the possibility of becoming a conclusion based on what everyone's responses have been.
edit: after further reflection with some friends, spoofing has become a very real option to look upon. But the fact he has posted many times before and one of his own clan members are here support the fact this may truly be the real "Oscar".
which referrs to the tracey williams quote i made too
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. Their new policy is first time temp ban, second time ban. Which corresponds with what everyone else to whom has hacked have been given.
Now that's news.
I got a permanent ban, i must be kinda special. ;D
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Whats the point in giving someone a temp ban? Like Loial says it obviously isnt discouraging people. Set the standard, if someone is caught hacking they should be banned immidiately. It should be purely objective, forget who they are, ignore what they say, ban them from irc, dp, and the forum. As for people saying it is ok to have hacks aslong as you dont use them on DP, this is bullexcrement. Why would anyone, bar a developer, need a hack? I cant trust anyone who thinks that way, regardless of whether you use it on pubs or not. If its there then theres always the possibility that you could use it.
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I thought the new build had a disclaimer? I agree that there isn't enough warning about the consequences, and i agree that wallhacks could be beneficial when trying to detect a wallhacker, but these should only be used by very trustworthy people such as jitspoe. However, having an aimbot or a speedhack on your PC serves absolutely no purpose what so ever.
Because the noobs are not established members of the DP community i doubt that they will care if we puplically degrade them, i still think the only option is an immediate ban. Make people realise there are NO second chances.
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...just like Ganja
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...just like Ganja
ban, ban, ban, ban, ban, ban.
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I follow your NATO point Pink, I am with you. So where can I get my hack so that I can catch cheats also? Get my point? Other than a developer what makes someone trustworthy over another?
The only persons that should have any hacks are the developers. Anyone who has one now currently in their possession should be forced to remove them via a new build etc, if possible.
Until you can force servers to update, the Admins have a responsibility sure, to enforce what they can. But in the end the players hold all the responsibility. PERIOD.
If you took a poll in the matter of trust, I think you would find that we 'the community' lacks this trust, just look around at all the cheating, accusing and spoofing. How can you trust a complete stranger now more than ever? That is why the admins need to figure out a way to combat this or take on the responsibility of watching demos. This should not be left up to anyone to do
Also, all players concerned should push for heavier punishments as the current ones are not working. They simply are not deterring cheating or the people who provide such tools to cheat.
Furthermore we should only lighten punishments until people start giving up sources until this is expunged. Anything else is another excuse for cheaters to get a hack. For example.
"If I have a wallhack then I can catch cheaters" Says the player with unknown intentions. I say bully sheet and we all know this. More than likely they will use it to cheat.
"But Loial we really need these hacks to catch cheaters" said the honest player with known intentions and can be trusted. Again bull sheet. They cant possibly be that helpful in catching a cheat. I mean this, to justify their existence is the same as saying “well I guess its ok to cheat because now I can catch you.” Hardly an excuse to keep a hack.
If you are honest player then leave it up to the Developers to combat hacking. If you cant trust the developers or if you can not give up your cheats for the sake of preserving the game. Perhaps you should not be playing. I have and lived this far with out them. I doubt it will kill you to delete the hacks and give up your source to the hacks to the Developers. I say this only because a lot more harm has come from hacking then catching hackers with the best of intentions. That is a fact and is not debatable.
I based this off of what I have seen in the forum this year and not my personal opinion of any one person or clans.
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Pink I have a few problems with what you said, otherwise i agree with you as would any fair minded person would but I will post more later as I am going home!!! :)
Again, if you think people that use wallhacks to catch wallhackers use it in negative ways
I dont agree with this. As stated before. "I say this only because a lot more harm has come from hacking then catching hackers with the best of intentions."
More to come l8ter
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Yes. Conclusion. I concure.
Drawing my conclusion about cheating and spoofing are not my personal opinions, but what this year's posts have shown. Hacks are being used more often for the sake of cheating rather than catching cheats. I have called for catching more hacks in public as this is where they stem from rather than waiting till they match, 'nip it in the bud'. I also called for caution for the sake of spoofing as we all now know is also a real threat. I also called from harsher penetalies due to the ones in place are simply not working to deter this behavior.
Think about it. How many times have they used this before they got caught. One is too many. This above all else is the message we send...."well I guess its OK to cheat because now I can catch you.”"
Also a reputation does not make someone trust-worthy. Do you trust UNI? I think you meant good, honest, trust-worthy reputation, reputable, a person of repute. I think a logical idea would be to vote, but common when has a fair logical idea ever be done?
I conclude that harsh bans are needed when they can be implemented. 3 Strikes you are out. One offense per year. Message being dont intercourse with the cheats. I only wish a code was in place to detect cheats installed and kick. Regardless of your intention with this in place, depending on people of 'repute' would not be needed. Thus neither would hacks
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I only wish a code was in place to detect cheats installed and kick.
One day.
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he quit PbDc and said this to me (http://)
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i havent a demo but if a see him next time i try to make one
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...Ur guys are funny, like: ALEXMO PLEASE CONTINUE HACKING SO I CAN DEMO YOU.
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/me sets mode: +b *!*@funname
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/me sets mode: +b *!*@funname
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That's looking pretty nice!! Maybe we should jump on the train of funnames as well... More people are using funnames than ever before!
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LyKe sToP.
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That's looking pretty nice!! Maybe we should jump on the train of funnames as well... More people are using funnames than ever before!
Funnames are merry, just like spamming.
OLE!
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Lol, alexmo doesnt know the maening of the word!
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Oscar: Obviously you didn't learn your lesson, or you wouldn't have been cheating today.
86.130.245.164 - ban at will, admins.
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Thankyou! Hardline Jit 0wns :)
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Jitler for president!!
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Sweet.
Pardon my germatic errors. (pun)
Alle Hagel Jitler, der Vater aller Online-paintball und jetzigen Herr vom Bann. Jitler hat gesprochen. "So es shal werde so soll es werde gemacht geschrieben" - Schleichend Tod.
Oscar haben Spaßspielen mit sich, bis Ihre Hände haarig werden, und Ihr Augesehvermögen versagt.
I tried to help you. Your are beond help.
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lmao.
Didn't get anything of it, though.
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OMFG! I deleted the hack the day I was caught! Whoever you think was hacking wasn't me! That's not even my IP address! I checked it on www.whatismyipaddress.com! That wasn't me! Jitspoe, you have the wrong guy!
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Hahaha, you got the wrong IP address,rofl. Now whoever framed him is gonna get banned. lol, there gonna get taught a lesson the hard way. lol, please admins, ban this person cause whoever framed oscar deserves to be banned for:
a) using a hack
b) trying to get another member of the pball community into trouble (well, even more trouble)
Thats hilarious.
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lol maybe thats not oscar but oscar beware cuz many of my friends told me earlier that u cheat
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Yes I did cheat, ONCE! But I swear on my life it wasn't me then, I've only used a wallhack ONCE and that was when I was caught!
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More than likely he has a dynamic ip adress so it changes each time he reboots. Doent mean he was framed, and once is more than enough to earn you a ban.
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I've never even heard of a Dynamic IP Address so unless its on my computer without my knowing then the chances are I dont have one. So many people have hacked before and not been banned such as COCO!
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He doesnt have a dynamic IP address reed.
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In this thread alone, you have 3 different IP addresses.
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Oh yeah, well what can I do about it?
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lol, I thought he had a static IP address. Does that mean that he can't be banned?
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oscar.do u remember the framed demo of matze they tought it was me and they wanted to ban me but it was "My first time"(dont think that it was me) :P
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This just another reason for the Global Login.
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He can still be banned yes, and he should be banned, and so should idiots like TM who defend his actions. Jits said he'd been caught hacking twice, as I recall its two strikes and youre out. The bannings got to start somewhere...
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I never hacked twice! Cant you unterstand that! I is impossible for me to have hacked twice because I've only used it once! It is no longer on my compyter! And the reason I have to shout every scentence is because you not going to listen to me otherwise!!! FFS!!!
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I never hacked twice! Cant you unterstand that! I is impossible for me to have hacked twice because I've only used it once! It is no longer on my compyter! And the reason I have to shout every scentence is because you not going to listen to me otherwise!!! FFS!!!
Like I said in the other post, if this is indeed true you have nothing to worry about. It will be the person who spoofed you who is banned. Understand?
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Finally! Me and jits have figured out what has happened! It's a long story... Basically my bro has been using my computer and had been hacking through Q2 and so it came up on Pb when my bro was on. Im so happy with myself, and annoyed with my brother (>^.^)>
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He can still be banned yes, and he should be banned, and so should idiots like TM who defend his actions. Jits said he'd been caught hacking twice, as I recall its two strikes and youre out. The bannings got to start somewhere...
Idiots like TM who stick up for him....
Hahaha, you spend wy to long playing. You seem to have forgoten one thing. Friends, friends dedfend their friends. Mabey spending so long online has turned you into a geek and you have forgoten what friends are. Still, thats why I stick up for oscar and others, not cause im an idiot. Cause hes my friends...... detectivehead......
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Haha, if any of my friends were caught hacking then id rip them for being such a detectivehead. Doesnt mean i stop being friends with them. My whole clan is made up of my friends, and these are my ACTUAL friends that i spend time with away from DP.