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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Bix on February 23, 2009, 06:35:52 PM
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This seemed to be an issue in the thread below.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16187.0
Anyways I think the whole community needs to give some feedback on this issue.
In my opinion there should be NO grace period on modified maps. It is pretty obvious that jitspoe can now detect modified maps and has been able to for some period of time. This means that some people have been cheating since madman and darkness originally made this wallhack, which was Feb 8th, 2008. It also means that there has been a year where NO ONE has been banned for using this hack, and only this hack. The hack isn't hard to make, once someone starts the idea in your head it is not hard to figure it out. Therefore this leads me to think that is completely unfair to give a grace period to those cheating.
"The "grace period" is 32 days." -Jitspoe.
I think this is wrong
Time for some other topics.
-"It is pretty sad that cuso gets banned when a good 80% of this game uses a variety of wall hacks." -skeet
Do you care to share who you think hacks?
-"The effectiveness of the comitte is dissapointing. I have heard of some players waiting as much as 4 months to be banned for multiple accounts." -Skeet
The guy did speak some truth.
- The dp community voted that some members of the committee did need to replaced yet no action has been made.
-When is Annal (clon3d) going to get banned? Didn't nearly the whole committee along with half the community agree that he cheats?
-When is Impactz going to get banned? I agree he is less obvious but still blatantly wallhacking. The only reason i separate their names is because there was not as many people thinking he hacked compared to his pal Annal.
-"...I find it strange that people that have relationships with comitte members avoid detection easier than others." -Skeet
I feel a reference to me here. Make a formal report saying I hack if you think I cheat. Enough said champ. I've offered all my demos up (as many other people in 'question' have not).
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Bix the reason I asked for a grace period is because I know of far too many people in far too many clans that are using hacks far more frequently then I ever did. I wished for this grace period because I want people to stop hacking altogether, while at the same time retaining the ability to play. You once posted about how this matching community is falling apart. Banning a good portion, perhaps half was an exaggeration, would only hinder what I thought was your ultimate goal. People have opinions, and there will never be full agree-ance toward any issue that ever surfaces.
You have exposed many hackers these past weeks, most of which I completely agree hacked in extremely blatant fashion. On the other hand, people were getting carried away with, just as I DID, around the train of thought that "X" hacked and "Y" hacked and they didn't get caught, so I can hack too.
My ban, I believe, was the wake-up call this community needed, and therefore I fully support a grace period to return the community to its state before MASS HACK DISTRIBUTION.
These are my thoughts on this issue. Feel free to counter. :)
-Cusoman
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People have always hacked.
I also think you have missed my overall point. The clan scene is vital to the dp community, but hackers are not.
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I agree with the grace period but I'd like to know the list of names to who was caught just so there known to the community.
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Bix :/ my reference is not to you but to somebody else. but that is not what this thread is about. I know you don't like admitting it but the majority of the clan scene in this game does hack not only by using modified textures but, other forms of hacking such as aimbots. As for the grace period I have conflicting views on it. I believe that the survuval of the game should be our prime concern but not every hacker should get off scott free. I have never hacked before and for the past few years i have seen hacking destroy this game. I highly doubt that giving every hacker a 32 day grace period to give up hacking will solve anything but it is a decent first step to solving the problem. in addition i believe that a list of the suspected hackers should be posted for the public to view.
-Skeeter mc peter
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I'm one of them circa
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If the majority of the clan scene hacks...you kids must not learn how to play.
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I agree with the Grace period Because people should get a 2nd chance .
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Bix thats the thing. they are taking the easy way out. they want to be good fast so they hack. it is the same reason athletes use steroids.
-skeeter mc peter
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Grace period.
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everyone should get a second chance
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Well, i don't want to see the matching scene go downhill, so this is a first step to improving it, a few people will get away with it. But in the long run this could help
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everyone should get a second chance
coming from a hacker. lol. :-X :-X
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everyone should get a second chance
Not necessarily immuned, but it's quite obvious that the majority of the clan scene has used modified maps before.
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except zaltekk, Bsod, and hack creators/distributors..
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Since when do we give anything to cheaters except a BAN.
I think all those that voted that it would OK to give some grace period either know people that may need this grace period or want the grace period for themselves.
Pathetic cheaters...what a waste of the air we breath.
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
chant with me everyone....
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
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Since when do we give anything to cheaters except a BAN.
I think all those that voted that it would OK to give some grace period either know people that may need this grace period or want the grace period for themselves.
Pathetic cheaters...what a waste of the air we breath.
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
chant with me everyone....
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
I take that to heart s8nsson. I voted yes for it for one simple fact. This 32 day grace period is a start to attempt at cleaning up this game. i have no idea why you are so radically against hackers. most of them are just bored kids looking to try and have fun. I see no reason for you to be so morally against hackers.
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I think we will see different thoughts from different 'generations'.
DP hasn't put up with cheating. It seems to be this new 'group' of people that support cheating and 2nd chances with no penalties along with supporting eachother when one is caught cheating. Just slightly interesting to me.
I would love to see who is on the big list, and then see who is saying what.
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Cheating is cheating skeet. DP has always been against hackers. It is a concept that is seems hard for the newer players to understand. We have always given cheaters a ban, this is no exception.
I hope everyone understands that deleting your modded stuff right now will not take you off the list of cheaters. Going to be sooo interesting to see who is cheating, and who is supporting the grace period.
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I think we will see different thoughts from different 'generations'.
DP hasn't put up with cheating. It seems to be this new 'group' of people that support cheating and 2nd chances with no penalties along with supporting eachother when one is caught cheating. Just slightly interesting to me.
I would love to see who is on the big list, and then see who is saying what.
I have played this game for around 4 years now. I wouldn't consider myself from the old generation or the new generation. I just think that you are being biased in your jidgement of who shoulld be banned. I really want the hackers to get banned but what i want more is for this game to stay alive. if that means everybody that is currently hacking getting off scott free then i am all for it. You seem to just want vengence agianst the "New" generation and i just want this game to live.
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Well SKEET...
I'm pretty competitive. How can I know the extent of my efforts to succeed when the opponent cheats.
Sure it's just some kids and a stupid game. But you can bet the mentality that drives a person to cheat bleeds over into real life. Pathetic cheaters in the game....pathetic people outside of the game...period.
I've been around long enough to know ALL the reasons why people cheat. And none of them are fair to the people that actually strive to progress with determination and practice.
I think Cusoman should have WELL over a 32 day ban for creation, distribution, and using hax.
It's an insult to the honest players of this community to give ANY cheaters ANY break what so ever.
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You want a grace period? Go hack on another game and let them give you a grace period.
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this game sucks bawls you should like you know download the game combat arms its like tottally awesome and like you meet people in the R L and glitch together.
But like 4 reals hacking is retarded dont do it you guys eat kitty and smell bad.
prime is on vent with me.
i dont hack.
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in all honesty, if the whole community gets a grace period whats going to make them stop in general.
Its like someone getting caught stealing. If you just let them go its like telling them its ok to steal.
Hackers are n00bs skitzo stop aimbotting because i know you are and i would love that to stop please because it makes me said.
lets all go play combat arms and level up and glitch together as one big family.
.:Pro Crawls Gaming:.
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I agree fully with S8N on that post. Someone brought up that banning cheaters will hurt the community, but really...do we want cheaters?
I really liked Cusoman. I did a lot of work with him on PP3 etc. Although...to know he made hacks AND used hacks yet he gets a 32 day ban is pathetic.
We don't put up with cheaters in DP, and never had. Cheaters dont deserve a get out of jail free card.
The reason I probably care the MOST is because I have been accused constantly over the past year yet no one has reported me or made a formal complaint. To play against people that ARE hacking that are calling ME a hacker then to see them not get any punishment is a pathetic moment for this game and our morals.
EDIT: We are finally concuring Knack :) Look at other games...if punkbuster catches you I would not expect it to message you saying 'if you cheat again you'll get banned'.
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bix i dont think you hack because i capped on you on shock and it was really funny and then you raged quit and its even more funnny. so i dont think you hack
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Well SKEET...
I'm pretty competitive. How can I know the extent of my efforts to succeed when the opponent cheats.
Sure it's just some kids and a stupid game. But you can bet the mentality that drives a person to cheat bleeds over into real life. Pathetic cheaters in the game....pathetic people outside of the game...period.
I've been around long enough to know ALL the reasons why people cheat. And none of them are fair to the people that actually strive to progress with determination and practice.
I think Cusoman should have WELL over a 32 day ban for creation, distribution, and using hax.
It's an insult to the honest players of this community to give ANY cheaters ANY break what so ever.
Yes i know how you feel s8nsson but your not looking at the reason why we are doing the grace period. It is in the best interest of the survival of the game as a whole and not just to personally please you. I rarely see you play but if you would like to play a clean player that has never hacked then i would love to play against you sometime.
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I don't think hackers are integral to the survival of this game as a whole.
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I voted no grace period, I want to see the list to. I been around for 5 years my self. Active for bout 4 and a Half.
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If the survival of the game depends on giving hackers grace periods, then let the game die.
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If the survival of the game depends on giving hackers grace periods, then let the game die.
+1
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I would rather have 10 honest players than 10 honest players and 40 hackers.
I quit playing because of all the hax...(not really but it sounds good and supports my argument nicely)
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so if i download a bunch of hacks, play, and then i can say.... "I want my grace period."
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I agree fully with S8N on that post. Someone brought up that banning cheaters will hurt the community, but really...do we want cheaters?
I really liked Cusoman. I did a lot of work with him on PP3 etc. Although...to know he made hacks AND used hacks yet he gets a 32 day ban is pathetic.
We don't put up with cheaters in DP, and never had. Cheaters dont deserve a get out of jail free card.
The reason I probably care the MOST is because I have been accused constantly over the past year yet no one has reported me or made a formal complaint. To play against people that ARE hacking that are calling ME a hacker then to see them not get any punishment is a pathetic moment for this game and our morals.
EDIT: We are finally concuring Knack :) Look at other games...if punkbuster catches you I would not expect it to message you saying 'if you cheat again you'll get banned'.
Well bix the idea that i have been pressing is that it is not about morales or about wether hacking is wrong or right. it is about the survival of DP. This issue has little to do about cuso. making statements against him on this thread will not solve anything.
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High five making another account to post that. $5 says IloveSkeet is probably cheating.
Lets clear up some of the worthless posts in this thread. There was a good amount of construction now it is cluttered with excrement.
How does not wanting cheaters make me a baby?
EDIT: Cuso is completely relevant because he started this whole issue and let DP see that is truly cheat detection. He is also relevant because he not only cheated using the 'undetectable' cheat but he also MADE a cheat.
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I would rather have 10 honest players than 10 honest players and 40 hackers.
I quit playing because of all the hax...(not really but it sounds good and supports my argument nicely)
So tell me s8nson you didn't quit because of the new generation of hackers. no you quit because of the hacking from like the old Ij and the old uR right?
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No, you can't read the small print....it splains it...
"I quit playing because of all the hax...(not really but it sounds good and supports my argument nicely)"
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I don't really think that is the point Skeet.
I believe what he is trying to say is --> If we are going to give cheaters free 2nd chances and if cheaters are vital to the survival of this game...let the game die.
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Back On Topic: I Beleive it has its pros and cons.
Pros: It will liven up the game a bit, and maybe bring new players
Cons: Hackers will come back, most likely hack again.
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No, you can't read the small print....it splains it...
"I quit playing because of all the hax...(not really but it sounds good and supports my argument nicely)"
oh haha. so do you finally agree with me?
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Next person that posts off topic crap gets a week vacation. Keep it on topic or dont post.
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Ban Hammer INC!
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NO GRACE PERIOD!
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No Skeet, I don't agree.
I think all hackers should be banned period.
I'm even more extreme than that....I think they should all be perm-banned.
If the community will die without cheaters then it will die honestly and nobly!
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I don't really think that is the point Skeet.
I believe what he is trying to say is --> If we are going to give cheaters free 2nd chances and if cheaters are vital to the survival of this game...let the game die.
Bix, you are not to decide that hacking is morally wrong. People hack for different reasons. you have even admitted hacking in your own private server. how is that different from hacking against somebody in a match.
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So tell me s8nson you didn't quit because of the new generation of hackers. no you quit because of the hacking from like the old Ij and the old uR right?
Old uR? Nobody was even considered for hacking in our clan when we first started, you know around the time you begged me to let you and biker in. People dont say we hack now. Only you and your buddys. Matterfact, s8n wasn't even playing much when we started uR. Get your facts straight.
K back on subject. I agree with bix and s8n No grace period for hackers. How can banning hackers hurt this game anymore then what it has already done. Clan scene might lose a few people but clans wont die. I know uR wont.
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No Skeet, I don't agree.
I think all hackers should be banned period.
I'm even more extreme than that....I think they should all be perm-banned.
If the community will die without cheaters then it will die honestly and nobly!
clearly you have no love left for this game.
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bix is free to do what ever he wants on HIS server on HIS network. If he took it to the interwebs then he would be banned like the rest of them.
HUGE difference.
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clearly you have no love left for this game.
DOUBLE POST!!!!
SKEET, when you have been around since essentially DAY 1 like S8NSSON and myself, THEN you can make a post like that.
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Old uR? Nobody was even considered for hacking in our clan when we first started, you know around the time you begged me to let you and biker in. People dont say we hack now. Only you and your buddys. Matterfact, s8n wasn't even playing much when we started uR. Get your facts straight.
K back on subject. I agree with bix and s8n No grace period for hackers. How can banning hackers hurt this game anymore then what it has already done. Clan scene might lose a few people but clans wont die. I know uR wont.
I love that you are in this thread atmays. I know that you want to protect your friends but your going at it in the wrong way. you should be thanking cuso for the grace period. it probably saved your whole team. i would never want to join your team. it is discraceful when your whole team is kicked from er33t servers for one of your members being offensive to a server admin. isn't it a shame that the grace period didn't happen a little earlier. maybe homing wouldn't be banned right now. :/
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DOUBLE POST!!!!
SKEET, when you have been around since essentially DAY 1 like S8NSSON and myself, THEN you can make a post like that.
:] knack i have put a lot of time into this game. I believe that i am entitled to my opinion. do you disagree?
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I love that you are in this thread atmays. I know that you want to protect your friends but your going at it in the wrong way. you should be thanking cuso for the grace period. it probably saved your whole team. i would never want to join your team. it is discraceful when your whole team is kicked from er33t servers for one of your members being offensive to a server admin. isn't it a shame that the grace period didn't happen a little earlier. maybe homing wouldn't be banned right now. :/
He should be banned, He hacked. He got what he deserves, I disagree with the time but yeah.
Im still against a grace period. If my whole clan get banned for hacking so be it, they shouldn't have hacked. Im guessing you taking shots at my clan so I can agree with you, vote for a grace period. Like I said I want to see the list and stop putting uR in your post as an example, if you think we hack or whoever hack please start a thread supporting your claims.
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Bix, you are not to decide that hacking is morally wrong. People hack for different reasons. you have even admitted hacking in your own private server. how is that different from hacking against somebody in a match.
I've downloaded ZGH and have installed the CS hack multiple times to view demos. I can do what i want when i am not connected. Hacking in a match is a whole different beast.
Correct me if my intent failed, but the whole reason for this thread was to persuade dp to not have a grace period. As far as my knowledge is there is no grace period nor has jitspoe even talked about releasing the list. My post is nearly all off assumptions. All I know is some people want a grace period, which I think is wrong.
I also believe I have found a good fact --> If allowing hackers a get-out-of-jail free pass is vital to the survival of the game, let it die.
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You have your right to post your opinion, but stating what you did about S8NSSON : you dont have a clue.
ON a side note: flame anyone else again and you'll also get a vacation.
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Here's where hacking and cheating take you:
EDIT: useless
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Atmays, i have no problems with you and i personally believe that you don't hack, and i know that you would never rat out your friends and that you have to stand up for them. The primary reason for the grace period is not to save or give hackers a break, but to attempt at keeping this game alive. I am sorry that you don't support somebody trying to clean up this game.
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Atmays, i have no problems with you and i personally believe that you don't hack, and i know that you would never rat out your friends and that you have to stand up for them. The primary reason for the grace period is not to save or give hackers a break, but to attempt at keeping this game alive. I am sorry that you don't support somebody trying to clean up this game.
The whole thing is skeet. Are cheaters vital to this games survivability?
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intercourse a grace period. People that hack should be punished. It's ruining the game for the people who play clean and practice to become better. There's no excuse for using hacks on the internet.
Yes, I hacked once. It was done on purpose. I got caught, and got banned. Why should other people be let off the hook for doing something I did and got banned for?
For those of you who actually thought/voted that a grace period would help bring this game back, are so naive. I'm willing to bet 8 out of 10 of those votes were made by the people that are/were hacking and are afraid of getting banned.
Pathetic.
Show the list. They don't deserve to go free.
Punish the violaters. Set the example with all of them.
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I'd say 90% of the people who hack come back to the game hack-free.
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I think you completely misunderstood my post. I'll quote the whole thing here.
Thanks for coming clean, at least. The "grace period" is 32 days. It seems like you're asking me to go easy on people because they didn't think they'd get caught. The whole, "I think everybody is cheating, so I'm going to cheat, too!" mentality people seem to have now is what's making things go down hill. Yes, there are cheaters. Some may even manage to get away with it. No, it's not 80% of the community. People need to learn from their own mistakes. There were probably hundreds of other bans before yours. They've had plenty of mistakes to learn from.
Notice the quotes, and the fact that 32 days is typically the (first offense) ban time for cheating. In other words, the grace is that, when caught, they only get banned for 32 days. Sorry for not being more straightforward. I thought everybody would have caught that.
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With that there is nothing left to discuss. Hackers will be banned :P
I wonder just how many people Jitspoe has caught over the last few months, since I know for a fact I wasn't the first or last to use modified maps.
-Cusoman
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Here is what you do ban each and everyone of the players that have this excrement do not let them go free that is stupid defeating whole purpose of catching hackers i mean come on none of the other how many other people that hacked got a way scotch free.
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Ban/Burn each one of the motherfu-ckers
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The more I match the more hacking I see and it's come to a point where whats the point of matching when your against hackers? I enjoy owning some noobs clans and I enjoy playing against players that are better then me, to help me overall get better and watch them and play against them. But what's the point when you look up to certain people and try to get better then find out that they hack? I personally want to quit dp because for me its getting pointless to match against hackers. For all the players that have been around for 4+ years, some people look up to you. And if they hear about you hacking, what do you think that will do? I find it hard to keep playing this game when I find out all the people hacking. Heck, even some friends of mine hack. And I've had to turn them in privately. This game is getting to the point where I don't see the point. When I see people that I learned strategy in this game from get caught hacking, it kind of makes me think that maybe this game is just about who can find the best hack or whatever. So for me I would say that the matching scene is going downhill. :[
-Casp3r
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Notice the quotes, and the fact that 32 days is typically the (first offense) ban time for cheating. In other words, the grace is that, when caught, they only get banned for 32 days. Sorry for not being more straightforward. I thought everybody would have caught that.
lol oh. I completely thought you meant there would be a 32 day grace period which didn't seem to flow with the rest of your paragraph.
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i rather see the clan seen go to hell then too cheaters.
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I love that you are in this thread atmays. I know that you want to protect your friends but your going at it in the wrong way. you should be thanking cuso for the grace period. it probably saved your whole team. i would never want to join your team. it is discraceful when your whole team is kicked from er33t servers for one of your members being offensive to a server admin. isn't it a shame that the grace period didn't happen a little earlier. maybe homing wouldn't be banned right now. :/
skeet being banned from er33t servers disgraceful? welcome to dp u must not know er33t very well if you thing that they ban fairly. their bans have no foundation and also i dont ever remember uR being banned form those servers.
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Well it's pretty dumb to have a vote on this grace period.
Firstly, people have been saying over half the dp community hacks. So if Jitspoe actually went along with this topic, hackers would get a grace period.
Secondly, really...why should these hackers get a grace period and all the people using zgh and excrement don't get it. It's just not fair.
Thirdly, hackers always should be punished. If they get away with it the first time, do you really think they are going to stop.
Pretty much what I'm trying to say is why start letting hackers get grace periods now? When so many people have had to wait their ban out.
Also I'm not voting. (:
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Since when do we give anything to cheaters except a BAN.
I think all those that voted that it would OK to give some grace period either know people that may need this grace period or want the grace period for themselves.
Pathetic cheaters...what a waste of the air we breath.
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
chant with me everyone....
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS
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ban skeet he is getting annoying.
also the grace period option is a joke it wont clean it up it will make it worse.
also if a hacker comes forth that was undetected and comes clean. he should go unpunished if he provides the hack he used. that might help.
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I haven't matched in quite some time, is hacking really a big problem now, or are people just starting to accuse for fun? Seems as though the whole "this clan hacks" is the main focus of half the people who have posted in this thread, and cusoman's.
If you say someone is cheating, back it up with proof.
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ban skeet he is getting annoying.
Yikes.
In any case, if this game gets to the point where it loses a significant portion of it's players because they hack then a total community purge might be the best thing. That would almost certainly result in the death of the game, but hey, it might come back after a couple years. Giving jits a few years off might be a good thing. :3
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Atmays, i have no problems with you and i personally believe that you don't hack, and i know that you would never rat out your friends and that you have to stand up for them. The primary reason for the grace period is not to save or give hackers a break, but to attempt at keeping this game alive.
If half of the community are hacking then the sooner that half are cut off the better. No community is going to attract commitment when cheating becomes wholesale.
Commitment to the game takes effort. But players of low character who cheat to get ahead short-circuit that effort. How committed are they then to a game which they excelled at by exploits rather than effort?
And players of high character don't want to put the effort into a game that is artificially slanted against them due to cheaters.
I am sorry that you don't support somebody trying to clean up this game.
How does it clean up the game to turn a blind eye to hacking?
Now if your concern is that too large of a portion of the community is already hacking, and to clean up the place would destroy it--then what is really left to save?
Sometimes the cancer is inoperable. If all that is left is cheaters then we are at that point.
I doubt that the numbers are currently that high. But there is only one way to see. Cut out the cancer, and see if the body lives. Otherwise the cancer will just keep growing.
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The whole, "I think everybody is cheating, so I'm going to cheat, too!" mentality people seem to have now is what's making things go down hill.
If such an attitude is on the rise then what role do the current ban durations play in that?
Since you clarified the grace period wording and we now know you will not be turning a blind eye to hacking we can put that to rest.
But now let's talk (again) about the small bans here. I get that you want to extend grace to new players. But hacking is not limited to them. We have hacking in the clan scene.
The question is whether the system of small bans is working. Is cheating on a community level being dissuaded?
Are cheaters becoming more frequent? Are they becoming more bold?
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If such an attitude is on the rise then what role do the current ban durations play in that?
Since you clarified the grace period wording and we now know you will not be turning a blind eye to hacking we can put that to rest.
But now let's talk (again) about the small bans here. I get that you want to extend grace to new players. But hacking is not limited to them. We have hacking in the clan scene.
The question is whether the system of small bans is working. Is cheating on a community level being dissuaded?
Are cheaters becoming more frequent? Are they becoming more bold?
I want a new first offence ban time :). Higher as well. And if nobody answered it already for you Bix, we are discussing about about a new committee as well.
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Scrolled to S8N's post, havent read any of the other posts (except a sentence or 2 from bix's).
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Well it's pretty dumb to have a vote on this grace period.
Firstly, people have been saying over half the dp community hacks. So if Jitspoe actually went along with this topic, hackers would get a grace period.
Secondly, really...why should these hackers get a grace period and all the people using zgh and excrement don't get it. It's just not fair.
Thirdly, hackers always should be punished. If they get away with it the first time, do you really think they are going to stop.
Pretty much what I'm trying to say is why start letting hackers get grace periods now? When so many people have had to wait their ban out.
Also I'm not voting. (:
Not only did your post contradict itself, but I doubt you actually read any of this thread by reading your post. If you took your time to read Cuso's thread along with the whole first 1.5 pages of this you would realize there are a lot of people in this community (maybe hackers? We'll wait to see the list) who wanted the grace period. It was also 10-4 in favor of grace period when i started this thread.
This whole point of this thread is anti grace period, so if jitspoe went with this thread he would NOT have a grace period.
Just take a few minutes to understand SOME context before you make a post like that Rick.
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Automatic 16 day ban for those who hover over the "Grace period of 'x' length." button and consider supporting cheaters. But that's just my opinion.....
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I voted against the grace period. We all agree to the EULA when we install the game. There in big letters, it says "DO NOT CHEAT". First offense bans, of 32 days, is a privilege that Jits has allowed. It gives a cheater time to think and maybe come back and play fairly. Other games ban for good.
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Hit them with the ban stick what i say :)
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Not only did your post contradict itself, but I doubt you actually read any of this thread by reading your post. If you took your time to read Cuso's thread along with the whole first 1.5 pages of this you would realize there are a lot of people in this community (maybe hackers? We'll wait to see the list) who wanted the grace period. It was also 10-4 in favor of grace period when i started this thread.
This whole point of this thread is anti grace period, so if jitspoe went with this thread he would NOT have a grace period.
Just take a few minutes to understand SOME context before you make a post like that Rick.
What ever you say. Maybe I'll hit you up on irc to ask for a 1v1 english battle.
*Rick hopes Jitspoe got his pm last night.
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It really is sad so many people are hacking now. That being said, I couldn't tell for my life who is or is not hacking so the cumulative total of clan hackers could be less than 10. Still, it's rather upsetting its happening at all. I say no grace period, if someone hacks it should come down hard on em.
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Screw grace periods. Just give everyone a ban of 16/32 days for each day they have been caught hacking. Only hacked once to try it out? good, then you only get 16/32 days. Hacked constantly? Bye bye for a long time.
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I think you completely misunderstood my post. I'll quote the whole thing here.
Notice the quotes, and the fact that 32 days is typically the (first offense) ban time for cheating. In other words, the grace is that, when caught, they only get banned for 32 days. Sorry for not being more straightforward. I thought everybody would have caught that.
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Thanks atmays, we understand.
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Screw grace periods. Just give everyone a ban of 16/32 days for each day they have been caught hacking. Only hacked once to try it out? good, then you only get 16/32 days. Hacked constantly? Bye bye for a long time.
I agree.
It variates on the case...If it is someone that is trying out and comes forward...light ban. But if it is someone that is "fighting" back and as used it several times...ban.
Like I said it depends on the type of case.
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Second that. I really think this is a fine idea and a good way of distinguishing between light and heavy offenders.
It seems very appropriate that a player who has a undetectable hack, and uses it for a long time, should have an equally long punishment. I'd even say take it one step further and give twice the punishment for every day it was used in a match (or maybe on an hourly basis, if this doesn't make it too complicated). Then just through on multipliers for further additional acts. Like a 6x multiplier if you've distributed. A concrete and just system like this should cut down on the female dog factor and take some heat off jits and the committee.
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I personally feel that people using 'undetectable' hacks should get longer bans. For example using modded maps and not expecting to get banned because they believed they were undetectable. Or using a ratbot. Is it really relevant if the person comes forward? Cheating is cheating. The only way they should be able to get time reduced is by providing conclusive evidence turning in other people that are cheating.
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The only way they should be able to get time reduced is by providing conclusive evidence turning in other people that are cheating.
Thats what has been done in 1-2 cases already. Some people choose to do that, some people dont.
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Perm ban. No questions asked if proved guilty.
It's the only way to teach anyone a lesson.
Also it repulses those ˝I just wanna test it out˝ sentences.
It's like when you kill a guy intentionally and than say: Please give me only manslaughter, I just tried it out to see wheather I like it or not.
A bit drastic but it proves a point.
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Perm ban. No questions asked if proved guilty.
It's the only way to teach anyone a lesson.
Also it repulses those ˝I just wanna test it out˝ sentences.
If a cheater cheats once, whats to stop them from ban evading considering it's easy enough. You've obviously never played any games under the "security" of punkbuster lmfao
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If a cheater cheats once, whats to stop them from ban evading considering it's easy enough. You've obviously never played any games under the "security" of punkbuster lmfao
For some probably not much. For others who are technically challenged, it would deter them.
I may not be able to stop someone who is highly determined from breaking into my house. But if I know someone has broken into my house I am not going to invite them back in 32 days and leave the doors open.
So assuming you are against cheating what would you do to lessen the cheating in the game?
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You seem to have plenty of arguments for letting cheaters cheat.
I'm a realist. Cheaters will always find a way. But in no way do I condone cheating.
So assuming you are against cheating what would you do to lessen the cheating in the game?
I've played many fps games for the pc and one thing that I've always come across is cheating. No matter what you do their will be hackers... period. Probably one of the worst things you could do is give a talented coder a reason to cheat, cause he can and will make something that could possibly ruin the game. I don't think you can ever lessen cheating in this game, you come into this game as a noob and you see these people flying around all over the place making 1 ball shots and you think to yourself " god darn, i gotta get skills like that" so they turn to th3 h4x. Generations these days just seem to lack the determination or maybe the time to get good at this game.
Sure you could lengthen the time say 45 days, thats 45 days to create another hook, 45 days to get around the detection system.
OK SO WE PERM BAN THEM..YEAH!! .. except
1) its avoidable
2) Would you uphold the same penalties to previous hackers ?
3) What would define a perm ban? I'm pretty sure jitspoe has that already with his 1000+ day bans.
I just took a look down the banlist and everyone that deserved some hard time got it. Jitspoe has a system in place, you say it may not differ cheaters enough but its definitely stopped me from hacking and ruining my name and I'm sure it has stopped plenty of others aswell.
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OK SO WE PERM BAN THEM..YEAH!! .. except
1) its avoidable
2) Would you uphold the same penalties to previous hackers ?
3) What would define a perm ban? I'm pretty sure jitspoe has that already with his 1000+ day bans.
A. It may be avoidable. But those who avoid it always have to be on the run or switching names in order to avoid more conventional means of detection. And therefore they are not able to easily take up a secure position in the community, build a name for themselves, etc.
B. Some will not know how to avoid it.
C. You note that Jits already has 1k plus bans. So implement them more. Apparently he thought they were still worthwhile despite the ability of some to evade.
D. I agree that all PC FPS have hackers. That is no reason to invite hackers back or make it easy for them.
E. You also mention that you can give motivation to hackers....since Cuso for instance is already developing hacks he doesn't appear to need motivation.
F. As to what to do about previous bans you would have to simply move forward with the new policy.
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eMo, just don't post to make post count. The reasons you give are laughable. Main thing is to perm ban all those morons that are using hax in matches. I believe most of people here don't really care if he hax in a pub. Of course, he should get banned to but when you use it in a match it's bigger problem. And if you perm ban that person he can avoid ban, but he wont get off with it in matches because our community is pretty small and he would be detected instantly.
1) its avoidable - yeah, he will rape pubs after, but not in matches
2) Would you uphold the same penalties to previous hackers ? - you can't do that but you can install new rules
3) What would define a perm ban? I'm pretty sure jitspoe has that already with his 1000+ day bans. - that's considered as perm ban - no reason why that shouldn't be raised to 10k
So yeah, perm ban. Period.
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E. You also mention that you can give motivation to hackers....since Cuso for instance is already developing hacks he doesn't appear to need motivation.
Cuso did what he did outa curiosity of his own skill. He had no intention of distributing or playing with his HOOK. If you don't know the difference than i suggest you stop bothering me with you're posts please. I wasn't relating to Cusoman but to other previous hackers ... Where do you think the modded maps came from? Probably someone trying to get back at the community for his lengthy ban maybe?
eMo, just don't post to make post count. The reasons you give are laughable. Main thing is to perm ban all those morons that are using hax in matches.
I know exactly what I'm talking about sir, I have years of gaming experience to see how games have dealt with hackers.
Please don't just jump on the bandwagon, I am in no way sticking up for cheaters. I'm merely expressing the other point of view.
You tell me not to post for my post count, you're the one in the last 2 threads CAPS'N PERM BAN and all you can do is re-iterate that m7 said.
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Cuso did what he did outa curiosity of his own skill. He had no intention of distributing or playing with his HOOK. If you don't know the difference than i suggest you stop bothering me with you're posts please. I wasn't relating to Cusoman but to other previous hackers ... Where do you think the modded maps came from? Probably someone trying to get back at the community for his lengthy ban maybe?
He did play with his hook.
By what he told Bix he did in fact help others set up wallhacking and ratbot. He told Bix he didn't use any of them. We know now that last part at least was not true.
And even in the thread where he confessed he was still hinting around that some of his versions might have been undetectable.
I am pretty sure at this point he did not distribute the wall hack he made, because he is not yet sure which version was detectable. But from the account of Bix it appears he already did help with usage of hacks that he thought were not detectable. And he seemed eager to find out if there were versions of his hack that could not be detected.
So your portrayal of him as just a curious little inventor is not matching up. He cheated multiple times, made a cheat, helped set up cheats and only made his big confession once it was discovered his cheat was detectable. He then asked for mercy for other cheaters for a time.
Now it seems you have more info than some of us about who is releasing these modified maps and perhaps TO WHOM they are being released.
If you are against cheating then feel free to pm Jits and tell all you know if you have not already done so.
Now as to previous hackers, if lifetime bans are pointless why did Jits impose lifetime bans on anyone?
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And yet by what he told Bix he did in fact help others set up wallhacking and ratbot.
I don't know if that's true or not. I don't care. Bix could of made that up for all we know.
And even in the thread where he confessed he was still hinting around that some of his versions might have been undetectable.
Which I believe he is turning it into Jitspoe to strengthen his Detection system.
Now it seems you have more info than some of us about who is releasing these modified maps and perhaps TO WHOM they are being released.
Doesn't matter, the modified content is detected and people will get whats coming to them.
I never said lifetime bans were pointless. I just said IF people WANTED to they COULD get around it. Doesn't actually mean someone would waste their time ban evading just to play a free online game and if they did congrats jits on creating such an addicting game.
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I don't know if that's true or not. I don't care.
So since you don't care if he helped others hack it doesn't matter?
It undercuts your idea that he is a helpful little inventor.
Which I believe he is turning into Jitspoe to strengthen his Detection system.
You believe...has it happened yet?
If he is such a nice guy that he was just trying to help out Jits all along why not tell Jits he was exploring possible exploits to help patch them instead of using hacks and getting caught an only then confessing?
Doesn't matter, the modified content is detected and people will get whats coming to them.
Did you even bother reading the other 5 pages?
Indeed I read all 5 pages, much of which was people making excuses for hackers.
And it does matter. If you know who the second-tier distributors are then you can help in giving them their due. Distribution under Jits' system still counts for more than hacking. And you already went on record defending Jits' current system.
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I know exactly what I'm talking about sir, I have years of gaming experience to see how games have dealt with hackers.
Please don't just jump on the bandwagon, I am in no way sticking up for cheaters. I'm merely expressing the other point of view.
You tell me not to post for my post count, you're the one in the last 2 threads CAPS'N PERM BAN and all you can do is re-iterate that m7 said.
As for 1 I didn't used caps in either of my post so no need to set up a scene to make your point there.
2nd you started to quote me, I gave you my opinion and now you are saying that I'm to dumb to make a state of my own, that I have to copy what M7 said - no offense to you mate - I didn't even read what he said because I kinda figured it out when I flied over his post.
You pointed what's conserning you - that they can evade ban, we gave you our opinion on that, so why do you insist on pointing out your thoughts over and over again? If you have another argument please do.
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You pointed what's conserning you - that they can evade ban, we gave you our opinion on that, so why do you insist on pointing out your thoughts over and over again? If you have another argument please do.
KAY, this is my last post since you guy's are eating my studying time.
nothings going to change, every time a situation comes up about this atleast 3 threads are opened crying about it and wanting longer ban times. Nothings ever changed. "Grown" men need to stop crying about a free game.
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KAY, this is my last post since you guy's are eating my studying time.
nothings going to change, every time a situation comes up about this atleast 3 threads are opened crying about it and wanting longer ban times. Nothings ever changed. "Grown" men need to stop crying about a free game.
If you think it's irrelevant than don't post. I haven't posted on these forums for months, I only posted if I caught cheater. So let us ˝grown˝ man ask and discuss longer ban times and you go and study, much better than post here (not ironical about it). And why does everyone when a discussion is opened calls it crying? Do you want for instance lower taxes? Yeah? Well don't go crying to your government demanding them, keep it in yourself, it's much more efficient.
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So assuming you are against cheating what would you do to lessen the cheating in the game?
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16227.msg158593;boardseen#new
I personally think this would help.
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Just hit them all with the BAN STICK!!!! COME ON.
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Hello
What is this grace period we are talking about? Dictionary didnt really help me, because knowing the exact meaning of the word doesnt help me understand the actual concept we are talking about.
Please
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Hello
What is this grace period we are talking about? Dictionary didnt really help me, because knowing the exact meaning of the word doesnt help me understand the actual concept we are talking about.
Please
Honestly, I'm not even sure what it would mean myself. It doesn't matter. It's not happening.
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Too bad DP isn't like other games that use valve or punkbuster to perm ban people. People should be banned indefinitely or pay Jitspoe to get unbanned just like having to buy a new game in other cases. It's the fact that the ban period is only 32 days so people think what the hell I'll just come back in a month or evade. If there were permanent hardware bans and you had to pay to come back I'm sure the amount of people hacking would decrease.
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Too bad DP isn't like other games that use valve or punkbuster to perm ban people. People should be banned indefinitely or pay Jitspoe to get unbanned just like having to buy a new game in other cases. It's the fact that the ban period is only 32 days so people think what the hell I'll just come back in a month or evade. If there were permanent hardware bans and you had to pay to come back I'm sure the amount of people hacking would decrease.
If dp had punkbuster to perm ban the people then you wouldn't see half of this community and only about like 100-200 players would still be here.
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If dp had punkbuster to perm ban the people then you wouldn't see half of this community and only about like 100-200 players would still be here.
He' suggesting that if we had punkbuster there wouldnt be so much people hacking. So your statement doesnt really make sense.
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I'm not really saying we need punkbuster but at least make people pay Jitspoe to play again instead of just waiting a month and coming back. Would get this game some money and turn people off the idea of hacking.
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My original post also questioned why Impactz and Annal(Clon3d) are not banned yet. This is getting pretty sad. The evidence is very conclusive, yet no action is made.
I understand if they are hacking they are using modded maps so jitspoe may be holding off.
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We can't vote on a ban until a poll is put up by the owner of the thread or jitspoe, and I just realised that that thread had made it onto the 3rd page in the committee forum. A few of us have decided on a ban for Impactz, so once the poll is up I don't think it will take that long to ban him. So much new stuff has just come into the forums :/.
leet post :D
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...bans can be paid off, it's just no one has ever done it before.
Jitspoe doesn't do that anymore, the idea was given up on pretty much as soon as he posted about it. Something about it not being worth it as no one paid for it so he gave up on the idea.
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