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Digital Paint Community => Other Stuff => Topic started by: capo on June 09, 2008, 10:56:54 AM
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How does everyone feel about the gas prices?
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1. Can't blame the Saudi's as we get mroe oil from Canada then SA
2. Can't blame the oil companies as their profit marjin is under 10%
THe issue is supply and demand.
The tree huggers need to die so that we can drill where the reserves are and try to get an influx of local crude in to the economy then the government has to allow for more refineries.
3. Increase the number of nuclear power plants.
4. Allow drilling in areas currently forbidden from drilling.
5. The federal government makes more on a gallon of gas in taxes than the oil companies.
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1. Can't blame the Saudi's as we get mroe oil from Canada then SA
2. Can't blame the oil companies as their profit marjin is under 10%
THe issue is supply and demand.
The tree huggers need to die so that we can drill where the reserves are and try to get an influx of local crude in to the economy then the government has to allow for more refineries.
3. Increase the number of nuclear power plants.
4. Allow drilling in areas currently forbidden from drilling.
5. The federal government makes more on a gallon of gas in taxes than the oil companies.
Ah, good points.
Ever seen or heard of the Glenn Beck show? He makes a lot of good points.
Heres a link if you want to check it out: http://www.glennbeck.com/
But yea, I know we have a lot of oil in Alaska but won't drill because of polar bears and fish. DON'T WANT TO KILL THE POLAR BEARS!. Heh...
The value of an SUV went down by so much. Hmmm.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511387/Shells-obscene-13-9billion-profit-biggest-British-company.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080429/earns_britain_bp.html
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news/companies/exxon_earnings/
"Consumer groups contrasted Shell's fortunes - the profit equates to almost £1.5m an hour - with those hit by high fuel prices"
"Shell's profit surge - it is now making a staggering $75million (£38million) a day"
"BP PLC, Europe's second biggest oil producer, reported a 63 percent surge in first quarter net profit"
"Exxon Mobil made history on Friday by reporting the highest quarterly and annual profits ever for a U.S. company"
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People make a HUGE issue over the profits of big oil. Look at their margins.
Your typical retailer, at least here in the states, typically maintain a 40+% retail markup to make a profit. Could you imagine what gas would be if big oil did that?
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How does everyone feel about the gas prices?
I was just thinking about this as I filled up for $4.50 premium. My old neighbor in Seattle says he's paying $5 for premium, sheesh.
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WHAT are you driving that requires premium?
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The local Shell station near me was up to £1.14 a litre of regular unleaded a couple of days ago. When you say $4.50, surely thats not a litre?
- Dagless
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US gallon
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WHAT are you driving that requires premium?
'66 Barracuda, it was raining and I didn't feel like putting the top on the Jeep.
The local Shell station near me was up to £1.14 a litre of regular unleaded a couple of days ago. When you say $4.50, surely thats not a litre?
- Dagless
$4.50/U.S. Gallon (about 3.75 liters)
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Gas was what...$1.20 or $1.50 a gallon before Bush went into office? Obviously he messed something up :P
I get about 20 mpg on regular and 28 mpg on high-octane with my '72 AMC Gremlin xD
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ok Pics y00tzie - need to see it.
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Gas was what...$1.20 or $1.50 a gallon before Bush went into office? Obviously he messed something up :P
1975 - 2000
USA was the world's largest economy followed by Japan, Germany and China.
2000 - Present
USA is the world's largest economy followed by China, Japan, and Germany.
For years we've relied on China for cheap labor, during the 60's and 70's the Chinese had bicycles. They've had so much business from American manufactures, a growing percentage drive cars. As KnacK said, supply and demand.
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I was hoping the high gas prices would push technology further, but instead, people thought, "Hey, let's burn corn!" and now it's driving food prices up...
Costs me about $150 to go play paintball with my friends in the Charlotte area now.
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Ethanol SUCK!
Now with that beign said, I'd loveto punch the guys lights out who thought it would be a great idea.
1 year ago I averaged $6.00 per 50 pound bag of horse feed. Now, I'm paying over $10.00 per bag.
WHy? It has CORN in it......
And yet we still offer subsidies to grow corn.......
Wonder why the price of beef, milk, cheese have gone up?
THey all come from cows....
THEY EAT CORN!!!
The same people that want ethanol want CFL's...
GUess what?
CFL's are considered HAZARD WASTE!
You can't toss one in the garbage!
Legaly, you have to call a hazmat company to dispose of it.
God help you if you break one.....
/me could ramble on and on about this..........
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They're bad. Drilling in places we aren't allowed to will only solve the problem for 50-100 years, if that. I think it's time people in the US finally start re-evaluating their vehicle choice and usage.
In other news, %10 PROFIT on a massive, world-driving business is huge. Way too much. I'm all for a progressive put-regulations-on-the-market/businesses sort of thing.
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Im working on my Air powered Engine. Gone be MONSTER.
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even though i can't drive yet i am still pissed off at the prices. i mean when i become old enough to drive how do they expect me to pay for gas. I can't save up for an apartment, pilot's training and gas. its bullexcrement!
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OH GOD PRIORITIZATION
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http://gizmodo.com/5016343/genepax-unveils-a-car-that-runs-on-water-and-air
The question is, when will any of the vehicles like these be efficient enough (speed and duration of travel), cheap enough, and available for an American car shopper to pick one out over a gas guzzler?
Don't think all electric cars are slow like that one, in Japan they've had fast ones for a while, there are electic motorcycles that do 200+ mph, but there's no way I could afford a Tesla Roadster as my 2nd car.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMovXzVOzc4
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My wife drives a 2005 Kia Spectra. It gets 34 mpg. Great little car. 90,000 miles and still going strong.
I bought my daughter a 2001 Hyundai Tiburon. at 100,000 miles, its getting 32 mpg.
Now, with that being said, all of these compact hybrids out there that still get this same fuel economy, why put up with the added expense and maintenance of the batteries and such?
I do believe that alternative fueled vehicles will be more prevalent than hybrids, and I'm not talking about corn based ethanol. ( see my previous rant).
100% electric cars need to be more efficient to be mainstream. But I am also interested in seeing the performance of a hybrid in which there is a combustion engine that only is used to charge the onboard batteries.
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100% electric cars need to be more efficient to be mainstream.
Agreed. Has anyone heard anything about the Chevrolet Volt? As a concept I heard it wouldn't gasoline, it would use as much electricity as a 100 watt light bulb, it could cost around $30k, etc.
I heard an interview with a guy who follows this car (from gm-volt.com) in which he discussed the true facts:
-40 mile range on electricity (My work commute is only 32 :))
-Price will be closer to just under $40k because of the price of lithium ion batteries
-Gasoline generator charges battery, allowing for approx. 50 mpg
-Electricity to charge will be around the same as plugging in two Plasma screens.
-Batteries don't suffer from memory effect.
All in all it sounds like a neat little car, it'll be interesting what the other automakers come up with in response. Has anyone heard anything about the Razor?
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I like how the US government wants to avoid electric cars, even with stupid donkey excuses as they are so silent and it would cause accidents. Dude, what?
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Source?
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even with stupid donkey excuses as they are so silent and it would cause accidents. Dude, what?
I've heard that too, just don't remember when or where.
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I recall legislation suggested by a single Senator implying that electric cars need to have some sort of noise for the blind population to sense their presence, nothing more.
You refer to 'the US government' as if it's a single united body, when in contrast the ideology of it's individual members are split 50/50 on most issues.
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Umm...tires make noise. If I'm in a neighborhood cruising anywhere under 30mph my car engine can literally not be heard from outside the vehicle if I'm not revving it, all you hear are the wheels on the asphalt. My car is DANGEROUS...just ask Spook, idk if he's ever sat in the back seat of my car, but if he has then he's probably hit his head on the roof with my driving :D
I haven't seen any legislation in America against electric cars, find me some sources or I'll smack you for spreading urban legends. I have heard about legitimate tax breaks if your EV or hybrid meets certain conditions: http://www.doe.gov/taxbreaks.htm
I talked to a guy who owned a CitiCar (now renamed to "Kewet/Buddy") electric vehicle and drove it as his main vehicle in Chicago and he got a tax break because of it, and because it was 25+ years old he got to use Antique Vehicle plates on the car (I use them too) and they're cheaper than regular plates.
If I lived in an area where I only had to go 39 MPH then I'd consider owning one of those too, but the street I live on has a speed limit of 40 MPH and I'm pretty sure if he ever got into a minor accident with that CitiCar he'd be dead because of how small and unshielded it is.
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... he got to use Antique Vehicle plates on the car (I use them too) and they're cheaper than regular plates.
What's the restriction for those plates in your state? They're cheaper in my state too but I could never observe the restrictions:
Vehicles displaying historic or antique license plates may be driven:
1. To and from exhibitions and educational events without any mileage limitation;
2. To repair facilities within a 100 mile limit; and
3. Up to 1,000 miles per year for personal use.
Edit: If you're in Illinois (like Spook right?) the restrictions are much more tough:
Vehicles displaying these plates may only be driven to
and from an antique auto show or exhibition, service
station or demonstration. The mechanical and physical
condition of the vehicle, including brakes, lights, glass
and appearance, must be the same or as safe as
originally equipped.
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The car has to be at least 25 years old in Illinois, and with an AV plate you can register to use a Y.O.M. (year of manufacture) plate on your car and just keep the AV plate in the car, I've been looking for a good Illinois plate from 1972 but haven't found any cool enough to buy for my car.
The actual restrictions for driving with an AV plate are not upheld at all. I've never been pulled over, but for people I know who have and use AV plates on daily drivers it doesn't seem that anybody has ever cared. If I do get pulled over I could claim I'm using my 1k miles if it's not locally, if it is locally where they see my car going to and from places all the time I can say that wherever I'm taking it, I'm taking it there to tinker on it. e.g. school, parts store, friend's house. If all those fail I hand over my get-out-of-jail-free card that's the card of a Captain in the state police who's family. ;D
Anywhere I drive my car IS a demonstration.
I don't wear the 3rd piece to my safety-belt, it's the shoulder cross that snaps into the lap belt, when I took my license test last year the lady who rode with me didn't wear it either since the car didn't come with them, they were put in by the first owner.
On old cars I've seen situations where wearing a seatbelt in an accident has caused way more damage than not wearing one, but I still wear my lap belt. My grandpa's neighbor had a Chevy II and he drove his friend around in it as soon as he got it running, he didn't wear a belt but his friend did, a car pulled out in front of them and they hit it at about 40 (the speed limit there). The driver broke his jaw on the dash board and was bruised up, other than that nothing bad. The passenger had his belt on and ended up with a lot of his organs re-arranged and torn up from the belt holding his body back from sliding forward. =/
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How does everyone feel about the gas prices?
i've honestly never payed attention to the prices when i fill up. with my old turbocharged honda i would put about $20 everyone week to week and a half. it got a good 25-30mpg depending on my driving. it wasn't even properly tuned. i was running on a generic basemap(a "guess" tune).
now with my new car, i can't really compare. i have a few things i need to fix before i can see how much gas i am saving. but i'm already ahead since i don't have to use 93 anymore. i'm still only putting $20 every trip to the station though.
either way you have to put gas, no matter how much it cost. i don't complain, but i'd like it to go back down.
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Electric cars would face another possible issue if they became widespread--where are we going to get the added electricity? A few years back in California we saw how overloaded parts of the nation's grid is.
And electricity itself has to be generated somewhere, and could suffer higher costs with that much demand.
We could stand to do more wind based power for electricity, as has been happening in some places. But even that is challenged by some as dangerous to birds.
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I don't understand the water powered cars. First you have to split the hydrogen and oxygen, which requires energy, then whatever energy you get out of recombining them couldn't possibly be greater than what was used to split them, and you'd get water back in return. If there were a way to get energy from that, you'd have a perpetual motion machine.
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Yeah, but just use a solar panel to do the electrolysis :D
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Could you place a small wind turbine on top of your car to generate power to run your SatNav or something? Would that work? Is it legal?
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Yeah, but just use a solar panel to do the electrolysis :D
Ever been to Manchester?
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at work we are working on some Hydro Fuel Cell kits. it runs of half gasoline and half hydrogen gas that the cell creates. what it does is tricks the engine computer in to thinking the car is running rich, which in turn backs off the fuel supply. so you're wasting less gas, but getting better gas mileage and more power depending on how well it's been tuned. this will also let you advance the timing more, which gives you more power throughout the entire band.
as of right now, we have one kit installed on an 01 Mini Van of some sort. i don't remember the exact make and model. but we went from a base 21-22mpg to about 32-36mpg after the install. each engine size is guaranteed a different percentage increase in mileage. example: 4cyl - 100%, 6cyl - 60%, 8cyl - about 50%. this is just a rough estimate seeing as how i don't know much about the whole process just yet. there are different kits on the market that offer different results. this is just the one we are working with.
there is a lot of interest among the older, wealthier folk. once we perfect the first kit, we will start offering it to the public. the mini van is going to be our "shop car" so to speak. really anxious to see the results.
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Got a link to those kits?
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Sorry, I don't remember it off the top of my head. But I can get it for you soon.
If you google hydro fuel cell, im sure you'll find a lot of information. But ill get the link tomorrow hopefully.
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you get a lot of crap when you google it. That's why I'd like to see what you are using since it appears to work for you so far.
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coLa: I've hard a lot of talk from one of my prof's about adding CA40 to his gas tank and getting 10-12% better fuel efficiency, do you know anything about it?
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http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9551919888/m/2321969559
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coLa: I've hard a lot of talk from one of my prof's about adding CA40 to his gas tank and getting 10-12% better fuel efficiency, do you know anything about it?
i don't know what CA40 is, sorry. but i have heard of something that you pour into your tank that helps break down the gasoline, which results in better fuel economy.
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How does everyone feel about the gas prices?
Only thing i got to say capo is REALLY HIGH Down here in Louisiana Diesel if 5.00$ and Premium or Super (however you wanna call it) is 4.70$ so pretty bad
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Highest in the nation is some $8.55 a gallon. Poor Alaskans.
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Gas prices have been falling. The most I ever paid was $3.99 for regular but for the past 3 weeks its been around $3.91
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Gas prices have been falling. The most I ever paid was $3.99 for regular but for the past 3 weeks its been around $3.91
darn Knack! Where do you live? I haven't seen 3.xx anything up here in NY since...March?
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Houston
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it's still in the $3's here also. don't think it ever hit $4. i don't know exactly where it's at right now since i have gassed up since sometime early last week :D
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$1.35 /litre where i am. its not as bad because wages have been going up as well, and housing was cheap, but housing doubled in the last year so that sucks.
all in all, the flintstones had it right
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/me thanks the IT Gods for allowing him to have a company car.
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Gas is idling around 4.19 a gallon here in the suburbs of chicago.
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$3.75 - $4.02 per gallon for my area.
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I've heard rumors that gas will be dropping. But, That is doubtful.
Cheapest I have seen gas was just today.
It was $3.84. Its kind of funny when people see it drop from 3.99 to that and think, "Oh, What a deal!".
Wish it was at $1.10 a gallon like it was when i started pumping gas. :-\
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I've heard rumors that gas will be dropping. But, That is doubtful.
Cheapest I have seen gas was just today.
It was $3.84. Its kind of funny when people see it drop from 3.99 to that and think, "Oh, What a deal!".
Wish it was at $1.10 a gallon like it was when i started pumping gas. :-\
Back in the olden' days. ;)
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u guys got it cheap around here its was reach to 5 $ its got down now to around 4:09 os so
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Ethanol SUCK!
Now with that beign said, I'd loveto punch the guys lights out who thought it would be a great idea.
1 year ago I averaged $6.00 per 50 pound bag of horse feed. Now, I'm paying over $10.00 per bag.
WHy? It has CORN in it......
And yet we still offer subsidies to grow corn.......
Wonder why the price of beef, milk, cheese have gone up?
THey all come from cows....
THEY EAT CORN!!!
The same people that want ethanol want CFL's...
GUess what?
CFL's are considered HAZARD WASTE!
You can't toss one in the garbage!
Legaly, you have to call a hazmat company to dispose of it.
God help you if you break one.....
/me could ramble on and on about this..........
Scientific American has a relevant article on the use of switchgrass to replace corn in ethanol production. More efficient, cheaper, and doesn't make me angry when I see ears of corn 2/$1. I'M TRYING TO BARBECUE HERE!!!
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn
Also, the US' stance on "Hold our oil till everyone else runs out" is losing its long term luster with the alternative fuel progress. Seeing as how the US unemployment rate is at about %5.5, about %1-%2 higher than ideal, drilling and buiilding a refinery for the first time in 25 YEARS, might be a good idea. Bring gas prices down, bring jobs.
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I believe its 35 years Henrod, but who's counting...
I went and bought another 1000 pounds of feed yesterday, 10.50 per 50 pounds. It going up another 40 cents next week....
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Just eat your animals. ;) . Eliminate feed costs, get yummy critters for dindin.
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my god. 2 or 3 years ago the price of gas up here was less than $0.75 a litre. no it's more than $1.45 it's crazy. spend less gas on the tanks in iraq and more back home maybe.
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my god. 2 or 3 years ago the price of gas up here was less than $0.75 a litre. no it's more than $1.45 it's crazy. spend less gas on the tanks in iraq and more back home maybe.
Go take some economics courses and report back in a few years.
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haha^
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Gas seems to keep dropping.
Just filled up on gas for $3.57 :)
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$3.79 in The Woodlands
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my god. 2 or 3 years ago the price of gas up here was less than $0.75 a litre. no it's more than $1.45 it's crazy. spend less gas on the tanks in iraq and more back home maybe.
Totally. Its the all America's fault that gas prices sky rocketed. America should be nuked.
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but only after we nuke everyone else. ;)
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You have to nuke them to protect the purity and essence of your natural petroleum fluids.
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Gas is going down predicted to go down up here below 1.00 by September I think it was.
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I heard one proposal out there in talk radio land somewhere that would require anyone who buys into the oil commodity market to actually take possession of the oil. That could prevent some of the speculative buys that are driving up prices.
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Still over $4 here today at 4.07... Seriously doubt we'll even get back to $2 a gallon here in the USA. I'd love to be wrong.
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$1.79 this morning :)
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Right at $2.00 for petrol and $3.00 for the stinky stuff.
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we are somewhere in the $1.70s today.
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Yea, Yesterday I filled up with 15 dollars.
It was 1.98 a gallon. Almost got a full tank with that <33.
Use to take 40 dollars to fill up...now its about...20. Yum.
But its low because of elections? Anybody think it will go back up after?
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It's back down to where it should be due to the speculators and the price of oil.
The elections don't have anything to do with it.