Digital Paint Discussion Board
Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: WarWulf on February 12, 2008, 12:57:30 PM
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its quite obvious you guys want me banned for my past that i have allready apologized for over a year ago. so pick my ban time and in a few days ill be gone.
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its quite obvious you guys want me banned for my past that i have allready apologized for over a year ago. so pick my ban time and in a few days ill be gone.
You forgot the option of 0. Why should you get banned for something that was that long ago. You offense was before the hacks detectable so now that they are, you should get a clean slate. Grandfather Clause...
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You forgot the option of 0.
And anything less than 256.
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thats because 30/10 wanted me banned.
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And 30/10 were friends of the people who just got banned. They are just angry. If their buddies didn't get banned, you wouldn't even be in this position.
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friends on the internet. lol.
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I still have not voted because there is no option of anything between 8 days and 0 days.
And 30/10 were friends of the people who just got banned. They are just angry. If their buddies didn't get banned, you wouldn't even be in this position.
And Garrett makes an excellent point.
-Cusoman
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I edited the poll.
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you guys are so stupid. Wulfie deserves 0 ban time. anyone who thinks differently, feel free to argue your case with me, im down.
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Aight right here right now let's flame each other. ;D
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go for it. he didnt distribute... no way does he get 1024. he did it over 3 years ago when it wasnt detectable / cheat detection didnt exist. guys are just puttin him down cause youve already hit rock bottom
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voted 0.
No explanation needed.
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Voted 0. Done.
-Cusoman
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If you read the logs you would see that the modified smoke logs were less than a year and a half ago. They were undetectable at the time. He taught DaRkNeSS how to make them and sent them to him. = Distributing
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show me logs of the DCC than. im not doubting you, just wanna see more proof
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show me logs of the DCC than. im not doubting you, just wanna see more proof
What's the need if he admitted it?
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heh seeing as ive admited to this all over a year ago and nothing was done about it its just a little strange to me that it would be brought up now after we just hardcore punked some people who are still going around spreeding cheats and still hacking and ive moved on and became a nicer person and more careing.. heh dp community is soo full of sheep.
but then again this was just brought up to stur up trouble by darkness.
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Your ban time should be the same as carcoals, assuming you're still banning carcoal. No point of having a thread about the same offense.
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You wallhacked? and even tho I don't like you much probably should only get a 32 day ban.
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BAN CLIPZ THEN. HE HACKED.
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"Your ban time should be the same as carcoals, assuming you're still banning carcoal. No point of having a thread about the same offense."
this is a very good point i agree with this but on a side note, i believe that carcoal already got a slap on the wrist a year ago when this took place because he went directly to jit's a day later and told him he just wanted to see what it look like. Its a shame carcaol works too much and doesn't have time to clear things up with the committee and public. i hope the committee can get a reach of him before their decision is made.
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lmao i hacked like 3 years ago and there was no global ban then
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Kind of strange how most of the votes are at either extreme.
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It's either "WTF <3 WULFIE" or "OMG BAN NOW 4EVAR"
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Voted 0, justice cannot be served on this.
This game is going to die really quick with 10 people banned a day.
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Kind of strange how most of the votes are at either extreme.
Goes to show bias' people have. some community members would NEVER ban uni that long, because they think he is great. While others would love nothing more than to see him gone for a lifetime. And should he commit an offense that is warranted of the latter ruling? You can rest assured those committee members that wouldn't ban him lifetime would come up with something like his map contributions show more effort than other cheaters, etc. While other members may say on a slighter charge, it's time to step it up and get rid of him.
The problem with a publicly elected committee and a private board is that the people have no way of telling who the extremist are and who the sound people are. At least give us the voting records and discussions of given topics of the committee, if you keep it publicly elected. That way when/if reelections come up, people have something to base votes off of.
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Hard code this game.
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Hard code this game.
No, please.
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Let's also force everyone's latency to be that of the highest-pinging player in the match to force fairness.
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heh this thread is exciting :3 i asked y2j what he voted for me but didnt respond =/ well he is an er33t member im sure he wants me gone talk about being bias ^^ <3 y2j
just ask s8n how bias i was when dirtytaco was multi accounting lol
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0, hands down.
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heh this thread is exciting :3 i asked y2j what he voted for me but didnt respond =/ well he is an er33t member im sure he wants me gone talk about being bias ^^ <3 y2j
just ask s8n how bias i was when dirtytaco was multi accounting lol
I didn't see you ask what I voted for anywhere... And if you mean on IRC my PC probably restarted before I saw it.
I voted 1024, not cause I feel you should get 1024, but because it keeps the count close. Frankly, if Carcoal is getting banned for hacking years ago, I feel it sets the standard you should get banned for 32 days, or however many he got banned for. Had carcoal not been banned, then I would definitely say no ban for you, but a standard has been set by someone to ban people for hacking years ago.
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I didn't see you ask what I voted for anywhere... And if you mean on IRC my PC probably restarted before I saw it.
I voted 1024, not cause I feel you should get 1024, but because it keeps the count close.
I feel it sets the standard you should get banned for 32 days
how very unbias of you *notes a bit of sarcasum* you vote for 1024 yet you only want me banned for 32 days
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Vote 0. It's in the past. =
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I vote 32 only because carcoal got banned for 32 days.
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the whole idea of banning past crimes with new punishments is fuc.king ridiculous btw...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2DHUw8SZg
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too long ago to worry about be4 cheat detection my vote = 0
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From what I gather there shouldn't even be a poll for this. You're either banned like carcoal for the same amount of time, or you're not banned and neither is carcoal. The committee didn't vote for carcoal, Jitspoe just upright banned him for 32 days.
The options should be.
A) The topic should be banned for offenses done in the past.
B) Shouldn't be a poll for this and you should just be banned.
C) Don't be banned and carcoals lifted.
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I think jitspoe didnt even know the demo was old when he banned carcoal. Let's just wait a bit. :]
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how long do we wait.. wait for it to run out? there's been discussion about this for days not.. it's just not adding up.
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just to clarify, jitspoe (dog of satan) not the committee.
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If you steal a car before video cameras and detection devices were invented, and you get caught 10 years in the future with new technology, are you innocent?
If you murder somebody before DNA evidence was around, and you get caught 10 years later (and found guilty), are you innocent?
As for as I can see, the same circumstances (not as severe however) are applicable here.
EDIT: Found a post that stated that Jits gave everybody a clean slate after he implemented his cheat detection.
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If you steal a car before video cameras and detection devices were invented, and you get caught 10 years in the future with new technology, are you innocent?
If you murder somebody before DNA evidence was around, and you get caught 10 years later (and found guilty), are you innocent?
As for as I can see, the same circumstances (not as severe however) are applicable here.
EDIT: Found a post that stated that Jits gave everybody a clean slate after he implemented his cheat detection.
Not innocent, you still broke the rules of the time. But really those examples don't represent anything to do with this game.
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Hey, remember that time jits said that all infractions previous to the time the GBL was implemented were forgiven? That kinda kills your analogy right there.
I just wish that post was more specific. :(
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If you steal a car before video cameras and detection devices were invented, and you get caught 10 years in the future with new technology, are you innocent?
If you murder somebody before DNA evidence was around, and you get caught 10 years later (and found guilty), are you innocent?
As for as I can see, the same circumstances (not as severe however) are applicable here.
EDIT: Found a post that stated that Jits gave everybody a clean slate after he implemented his cheat detection.
this is a meddling video game. not real life. stop bringing up this garbage. intercourse.
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just ask s8n how bias i was when dirtytaco was multi accounting lol
Is this true?
Dude :-[
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naw it was a lil funny loial ^^ i was being sarcastic in that post you quoted lol
yeah jitspoe did just stright up ban carcoal and you know if he wants to ban me too im just fine with it.
just to let you know i havnt been trying to get out of being banned. i think its just cause im in the committee and thats why jitspoe treated it diffrently.
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We can talk this out...Nathan....committee....please enlighten me what has happened?
Want to be a a committee hold an open forum talk session every week for yourselfs, the gamers and the lovers.
Im out of the loop and dont have time to read.
Thoughts?
Thanks..
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3 years ago i used a wall hack(which i have allready admited to a year ago at the least)
and i helped darkness about a year and a half ago with a .tga file that i never got to work but darkness did
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From what I gather there shouldn't even be a poll for this. You're either banned like carcoal for the same amount of time, or you're not banned and neither is carcoal. The committee didn't vote for carcoal, Jitspoe just upright banned him for 32 days.
The options should be.
A) The topic should be banned for offenses done in the past.
B) Shouldn't be a poll for this and you should just be banned.
C) Don't be banned and carcoals lifted.
<Jitspoe>Carcoal's ban was probably a bit too preemptive. I thought, because of the content and the fact that it was just posted, that it was recent. Plus I had people bugging me - wondering why I hadn't taken action yet, etc. I haven't heard anything from carcoal, though. I tried to ask him about it when the demo was first posted, but he had recently signed off of irc. I figured he'd contact me after the ban. I wouldn't use that case as a precedent.
Apparently Jitspoe doesn't find carcoal's case the president of uni's. If carcoal ever got on, he would clarify with jitspoe that that demo is 2 years old, and probably wouldn't have gotten banned. I still voted 1024
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Why would some one be banned for 2 year old actions when every day there is worse done in irc....i dont get it..
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Why would some one be banned for 2 year old actions when every day there is worse done in irc....i dont get it..
There we go.
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I was pretty sure warwulf's case was old. The way it's being handled has nothing to do with him being a committee member.
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Never said it did.
I ask a question. Not a statement.
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ahh ok that makes more sense seeing as carcoal hasnt came on since his ban and dont know how old the video is.
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I'm trying to think of worse things done on IRC than explaining in detail how to hack, and I have yet to come up with anything.
Please inform me.
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My question still
remains
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Maybe someone could answer your question if you could give some examples on the worse things that happen on IRC.
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Take over channels.
Spoofing
Greifing
Spreading cheats
Anything else that deserves a ban. In controlled environment.
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So Unibonger spreading cheats is not as bad as someone else spreading cheats on IRC? Sorry, but that does not make sense to me. (like 99% of your posts)
I can not recall the last time I have seen a channel takeover, nevertheless this is not even close to the same category as spreading cheats.
Spoofing/Greifing appears to be only something you deeply care about, and like the previous it's not even comparable to spreading cheats.
I think you need to reevaluate yourself.
And one last thing before I go to bed. Do you actually have daily interactions/conversations with people in real life? Just curious.
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Do you care deeply about the questions you ask?
I do.
I think, you think to much about what I am thinking in negative terms my friend. Get to know me first before you judge me.
To answer your question .....please read back about my problem with handing out hacks to check for wall hacks.....
In there you will find your answer...
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umm my name is WarWulf
W-A-R-W-U-L-F
you can call me war if you want. i mean it is 3 letters too.
people who call me uni or unibonger have some deep psychological problems with me from the past. (5 years ago is when i changed my name)
and or
people just trying to get some sort of angry reaction out of me. which would be kinda difficult when I'm laughing at how ridiculous you must be.
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Wasn't my intention to get a rise out of you by calling you unibonger, but that is just how I know you by.
And I find it quite ironic when you claim others have psychological problems when you are the one who considers yourself to be a wolf.
http://www.break.com/pictures/people-are-weird452523.html
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LMFAO.
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lol. yeah to bad thats not me. and besides what i do myself is my own thing. i dont force it onto others.
that picture is funny though lol and that guys is a fox not a wolf :P
how long have you been around olbaid? about 2-3 years at the most. i changed my name 5 years ago.
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umm my name is WarWulf
W-A-R-W-U-L-F
you can call me war if you want. i mean it is 3 letters too.
people who call me uni or unibonger have some deep psychological problems with me from the past. (5 years ago is when i changed my name)
and or
people just trying to get some sort of angry reaction out of me. which would be kinda difficult when I'm laughing at how ridiculous you must be.
Always can't tell if you're serious or you're joking when you type stuff like this.
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when have i ever been serious james.
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is warwulf ban? If he is thats bull because that log was like over a 2 years old. hes not hacking now is he? I say jitspoe (Jesus) remove the bans of the following players Warwulf, ieatnoobs, Zaltekk and his accomplice. No but seriously warwulf and ieat didn't even do anything their just like the classroom clowns and just want to brighten up the gloomy dp community.
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Why would I unban Zaltekk?
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I obviously knew that wasn't you Uni, just a reference
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that was a joke jits you can laugh its alright but why ban warwulf and ieat they did nothing besides making fun of hacks in dp
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voted 0 warwulf's a good guy and we all know he wont do it again. leave the past in the past, also isint the community small enough for pointless bans.
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No.
Permbans from all criteria..
You only cheat yourself when you do things newbs can or don't know how to do.....
*jamie...
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Why would I unban Zaltekk?
*sorry.........but um....dude.
Get a league of admins who can enforce that. You can not, alone.
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i voted 0
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I like you warwulf, from the little I know you.
But I would ban you for the 1024, along with anyone else who has anything to do with hacking.
Sorry. But some consistently rough penalties are the only way to clean up this mess. These 32, 64 day bans were too lenient from the start.
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Dumbest thing I think I've seen. As if this community didn't have enough problems in the present, there are those fools who would drudge up over year old past issues just to cause crap?
m7, either you missed the fact that this was a very, very old offense or you're not near as intelligent as I once thought you were. To ban someone for something that happened over a year ago or even 6 months ago is as stupid as law enforcement writing a ticket to a person they saw not wearing their seatbelt before seatbelt laws came into effect. My apologies if I offend you but, I mean really people... Are you that bored??
Warwulf "0" here bud...
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Dumbest thing I think I've seen. As if this community didn't have enough problems in the present, there are those fools who would drudge up over year old past issues just to cause crap?
m7, either you missed the fact that this was a very, very old offense or you're not near as intelligent as I once thought you were. To ban someone for something that happened over a year ago or even 6 months ago is as stupid as law enforcement writing a ticket to a person they saw not wearing their seatbelt before seatbelt laws came into effect. My apologies if I offend you but, I mean really people... Are you that bored??
Warwulf "0" here bud...
No I did not miss it. This game has put up with cheating long enough. I would ban anyone who EVER cheated at the game. That is not what Jits is doing and it is his call. But at the very least he should start perma banning anyone who cheats or distributes from here on out. Those who play the game honestly need to know that cheaters are dealt with.
The committee further suffers from a problem with perceived unfairness. I actually think they have been quite fair and only a few are complaining. But if they want to show they are fair they will deal with all cheaters the same way. These various ban times based on committee hash overs is a mistake. The best for the game in my view would be a permanent ban, no matter who it was.
And though you disagree with me I won't call into question your intelligence. That is just my view.
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I might agree with the statement "But at the very least he should start perma banning anyone who cheats or distributes from here on out.", but the statement/view "I would ban anyone who EVER cheated at the game." is just plain ridiculous... My opinion of course...
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People can change. But results from actions may follow them. We have all made mistakes in life that followed us. Whether he cheated six months ago, a year ago or today those who are getting banned now know that he CHEATED at this game. He broke the rules and others suffered for it. And now he hands down bans to others. That gives the committee an image problem. You might say it isn't fair. No it probably isn't. But it is reality.
Now I have another thread going where I suggest the 1k day ban from here on out and forget the ones in the past. That is not my first choice, but seems far better than the current. But if it were up to me I would ban anyone who ever cheated, and this thread asks for our opinions. Then there are no questions of favorites and there is a clear message that cheating gets you booted.
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Was he not punished way back then for whatever he did wrong? You're dealing with mostly young children, teens, or young adults here on a FREE game and while I agree that there are sometimes repercussions for things we do wrong I can't help but feel your "viewpoint" sways towards that of an extremist. The mentality of "You were a bad boy over a year ago so you should be punished now for it" makes no sense to me.
Maybe people can change... Maybe he learned from his mistake and became a productive asset to the community.
To those who seem to have a problem with his past I would simply remind them that "That was then and this is now" Things were dealt with differently back in those days and now this is the punishment for cheating. Cheating will simply not be tolerated.
As a committee member it should be your duty to help move this game forward and help it progress... NOT waste time drudging up old old past and catering to those who seem to have nothing better to do but whine, flame, stir up trouble and complain.
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m7feettall
um actually i used penix over 3 years ago
(I ALLREADY HAVE ADMITED TO THIS A LONG TIME AGO) nothing was done about it
and a year and a half ago. i told darkness about tga textures.
and, jitspoe has wiped everyones slate clean like a year ago.
the reason this was even brought up.
is because darkness got caught cheating recently. and making guides to making cheats.
he brought these out to get me in trouble with him
then carcoal was banned for a demo from a long time ago. but no one know how old it was. soo he was banned. he recently came back on and was unbanned after they found out how long ago the video was made.
read topics before you post please ^^
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Was he not punished way back then for whatever he did wrong? You're dealing with mostly young children, teens, or young adults here on a FREE game and while I agree that there are sometimes repercussions for things we do wrong I can't help but feel your "viewpoint" sways towards that of an extremist. The mentality of "You were a bad boy over a year ago so you should be punished now for it" makes no sense to me.
Then by that reasoning we should never perma ban because we have mostly young folks. I simply disagree.
Maybe people can change... Maybe he learned from his mistake and became a productive asset to the community.
I wholeheartedly think people can change. But to think it won't come up is naive when he is in a position responsible for giving out bans. The current committee model feeds this. Folks feel if they can create a big enough stir they can influence the days a ban goes.
If you perma ban everyone who cheats that goes out the window. Then the only question the committee asks is, was there cheating or distribution? If yes then there is a perma ban.
To those who seem to have a problem with his past I would simply remind them that "That was then and this is now" Things were dealt with differently back in those days and now this is the punishment for cheating. Cheating will simply not be tolerated.
Fair enough. I hope they do in fact demonstrate that it is not tolerated. And they can prove it by giving EVERYONE a 1k day ban when they have anything to do with cheating. There is no reason for little 32 day bans. If they do it going forward and leave the past the past that is fine.
As a committee member it should be your duty to help move this game forward and help it progress... NOT waste time drudging up old old past and catering to those who seem to have nothing better to do but whine, flame, stir up trouble and complain.
Who is this directed to? Warwulf?
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m7feettall
um actually i used penix over 3 years ago
(I ALLREADY HAVE ADMITED TO THIS A LONG TIME AGO) nothing was done about it
and a year and a half ago. i told darkness about tga textures.
and, jitspoe has wiped everyones slate clean like a year ago.
the reason this was even brought up.
is because darkness got caught cheating recently. and making guides to making cheats.
he brought these out to get me in trouble with him
then carcoal was banned for a demo from a long time ago. but no one know how old it was. soo he was banned. he recently came back on and was unbanned after they found out how long ago the video was made.
read topics before you post please ^^
I read them all. I still feel that everyone who ever cheated should be perma banned. That is my view. If you don't want my view don't make a poll soliciting it.
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heh even when i did have it i didnt really use it that. i did have one about 8 years ago that i used for like 2 months
the 3 reasons i had penix for
#1 reviewing cheats
#2 practicing on private servers with rez
#3 playing against ganja in public servers till he left. because he does nothing but cheat lol.
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Then by that reasoning we should never perma ban because we have mostly young folks. I simply disagree.
I simply did NOT say that. I find your interpretation of what I've said quiet odd. Read into it what you will I suppose.
I wholeheartedly think people can change. But to think it won't come up is naive when he is in a position responsible for giving out bans.
The fact that it might come up is not the issue... How you handle it if it does seems of greater importance to me...
Who is this directed to? Warwulf?
You...
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I simply did NOT say that.
I did not say you said it. I said your reasoning taken to its logical conclusion would prevent permanent bans.
If you wish to give mercy to one changed person--warwulf--then why would you make no future provision for kilo, etc. to change? If warwulf's tender age was a factor, why not kilo's?
For me, i don't care if he does change. I would remove all cheaters and those who help them because they bring suspicion on the game. He will survive without DP, and DP will survive without him.
The fact that it might come up is not the issue... How you handle it if it does seems of greater importance to me...
I did not raise the point. Nor was it something I was discussing until Warwulf voluntarily posted this thread asking for opinions.
You...
Then you are mistaken. I am not on the committee. I have never been on the committee. I didn't drudge up anything. Nor am I catering. Warwulf raised the question and I stated my answer-- I say ban all cheaters.
Were I catering to the other element I would say ban NO cheaters, because that is ultimately what they want from this protest. I just want to play the game with assurance that cheating is taken care of when it is known to have occurred.
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My mistake... I misinterpreted some posts to other threads which lead me to believe you were on the committee.
I agree that cheaters should be banned. The ban times need to be a tad stiffer than they are now but not out of line... Maybe I'm a softy and believe in 2nd chances. A repeat offender should be perm banned IMHO.
Past needs to simply be left in the past...
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No problem.
Given that Jitspoe already said that there was a clean slate I think we have no choice but to leave the past in the past.
I would probably even be quite happy to see something like what you outline--second chance then permanent. But the 32, 64, etc. is just silly. And every time I see someone off those tiny bans I am wondering in the back of my mind if they are cheating again. When player after player is caught cheating people naturally suspect the game is not being played fairly. We can't control what we don't know about. But when we do know and just give a slap on the wrist I think that sucks for those of us just wanting to play a fair game. It sends the wrong message.
I will say I am glad to see the committee and jits putting up with less of the non-sense and arguments from those banned.
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Voted 0
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i <3 mut
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i <3 mut
He <3's ya back... *Kiss*
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voted for 0 y ban wulf
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Why did you revive an almost 1 month old thread with a simple post of that nature? He didn't get banned and will not get banned so no worries about him.