Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => General Development => Topic started by: jitspoe on August 08, 2005, 12:55:07 PM
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Microsoft's current plan for OpenGL on Windows Vista is to layer OpenGL over Direct3D in order to use OpenGL with a composited desktop to obtain the Aeroglass experience. If an OpenGL ICD is run - the desktop compositor will switch off - significantly degrading the user experience. In practice this means for OpenGL under Aeroglass:
* OpenGL performance will be significantly reduced - perhaps as much as 50%
* OpenGL on Windows will be fixed at a vanilla version of OpenGL 1.4
* No extensions will be possible to expose future hardware innovations
It would be technically straightforward to provide an OpenGL ICD within the full Aeroglass experience without compromising the stability or the security of the operating system. Layering OpenGL over Direct3D is a policy decision more than a technical decision.
The OpenGL community should encourage hardware & software developers, as well as Microsoft to maintain OpenGL as a first class API under Windows Vista.
What can you do?:
* Write to your preferred ISV, hardware developer, video card manufacturer or OEM and tell them to bring this up with Microsoft (e.g. 3Dlabs, ATI, Intel, Matrox, NVIDIA, HP, Dell). This will be the most effective action you can take.
* Bring this issue up on other developer and tech-related web sites. If you have a personal blog or podcast, talk about the issue there. Windows Vista might end up being a great product, but not if OpenGL is crippled
* Post your comments to http://www.opengl.org public message board. The more conversation and solution ideas, the better.
I really hope they don't do that. It could mean bad things for the future of paintball2.
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sighs. It was fun. Now what?
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SOFTWARE MODE ALL AROUND!!
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BOOOOO!!!!! I mean ewwwwwwwwwwwww
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Linux all around...(good thing you got it done huh?)
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intercourse you microsoft. They make open gl, microsoft makes direct x. They do good excrement with opengl, microsoft makes people use direct x.
intercourse you microsoft. They make php, microsoft makes asp. They do good excrement with php, microsoft makes people use asp.
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(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5559/untitled9jf1.png)
so far this seems true... :'(
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O_o
I wouldn't say anything yet, since that IS a test build...
Which you have...
And not me...
:'(
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lol, it is strange that I probably dislike MS more than most people here yet I get a check from them once in a whie for evaluating stuff.
Don't get too worked up over it, Vista ain't that great. The new explorer.exe is a pain in the butt to get arround in, even if you set it so you're allowed to type your destination (e.g. "C:\games\paintball2\"), and don't get me started on all the icons.
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At least the theme looks a little better than XP's "Ignorance is Bliss" theme. Too mac-ish, though. I think one of my friends got a copy of Vista, too. I'll have to see if Paintball runs on his machine.
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ive heard this from other sites aswell, its not digital paintball just doing it, vista is cool but ive had problems with it aswell, it comes with internet explorer beta 7 and trillian doesnt like it at all, a beta on a beta excellent, and when u wanna close sumden it doesnt jsut close it it searchs the internet for the problem, you are not the operator any longer.
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Why do people have this?
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I don't "have it", I have access to a computer with it on it, I'm sure I could get it, but #1. that would require an MSDN account, or getting a friend to burn me either a legit or a pirated copy #2. It's MS, so I don't like it one bit sam I am, and #3. It's beta...even when it's not beta it'll probably be buggy.
There might be reason to get it once DirectX 10 comes out and some cards that support it are out.
You know you can probably find the Vista theme ported to XP if you look hard enough, try the shareware of WindowsBlinds maybe.
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Eeek. I tried Paintball2 on it, and it did run. However, it was opengl->d3d wrapped, even in fullscreen mode, which, to put it mildly, sucked. Bad. Not only were the framerates terrible, but it actually messed up the texture alignment and stuff. Like half an object would be textured correctly, and the other half would be all screwed up. It did this both with and without the nVidia drivers installed.
Also, Vista is slow and has like 5 confirmation dialogs for everything you try to do. It's like browsing the Internet without a popup blocker! I won't be updating to Vista for a long time.
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Apparently MS said that they're including full OpenGL support (not d3d wrapped) for games/etc after-all. Not sure which Beta/RC it'll be available in.
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intercourse MS :P
i guess i'll use linux, when "ms-knows-all-about-your-pc"spyware,whatever Vista comes out :P
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Digital Paintball work on Vista. It's juste very slow, as Microsoft said.
I beta test it for my company (Vista, not DP :D).
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moshed, what are you talking about when you say "ms-knows-all-about-your-pc" ? I hope its not that what i mean! :-/
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Dont use Windows Vista.
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thats pretty fugly.
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Well, i duped the C:\Games on a SD-card and shove it in my Vista Beta 2 Media Center.
Runs great, no problems at all.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_88.61.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_88.61.html)
Includes OpenGL driver for compatibility testing.
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I've got Windows Vista Beta 2 and I really really love it. So much so that my 2000 Pro has taken to the backgroud much to my surprise. I expected to have Vista as a secondary OS but after installing it I knew I couldn't.
jitspoe, to remove those "popups", disable the UAC. That's what I did - a little matter of looking in the user options ;)
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I don't use Cedega anymore, pretty much everything I run can be ran in Wine with very little tweaking, Cedega was a major pain and the fonts were always messed up, for those of you on Ubuntu wanting to run Steam I scripted the linux-gamers.net how-to here: http://neonpulse.net/ubuntu/steam/
Vista looks ugly to me, the new explorer navigation is a pain even when you enable being able to type in the location, also I'd take a Linux distro that uses none of my computer's resources anytime over an OS like Vista that seems to hog it, Win2k was the best for me to run without using much ram/cpu/gpu.
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Yeah, that's my least favorite part of vista-- how much it kills your computer just to run it.
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Yeah, that's my least favorite part of vista-- how much it kills your computer just to run it.
What are you talking about? Vista isn't final yet, with RC1 we know.
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We already know.
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Just so you know, windows Vista includes full OpenGL support, after thousands of angry Driver manufactures yelled at MicroSucks
And vista just sucks, I still hate MS for trying to kill linux.
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windows Vista includes full OpenGL support
I could see it including OpenGL, but I doubt that its fully supported both in stability and in help refrences. :P
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The OpenGL subsystem will always be available as a download I bet...
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Just so you know, windows Vista includes full OpenGL support, after thousands of angry Driver manufactures yelled at MicroSucks
And vista just sucks, I still hate MS for trying to kill linux.
How is microsoft trying to kill linuz? (Like thats possiable)
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*cue eiii*
Thread necromancy and a double post at the same time.
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Don't forget lack of modify button use!
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OMG! BUG! I THOUGHT I STEPPED ON YOU!
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Erm, no. By the way, your blatant use of upper case makes me about as sick as elevator flatulence would. Not a pretty sight.
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Darn! Too late.
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/me steps on teh bugger.
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/me farts in the elevator.
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lol, whats with the forum pecking order bullexcrement?
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2006, 11:03:33 AM »
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2006, 11:06:19 AM »
I simply forgot I allready posted.
Had it been:
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2006, 11:03:33 AM »
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2006, 11:04:21 AM »
I would have used modify.
You guys/gals need to lay off, you use the forum rules as some kind of sick religion!
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OpenGL Now Natively Supported in Windows Vista
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3760
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That'll make cheat detection fun because everybody will have different OpenGL ICD's...
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I won't if you don't revive any more threads.
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What you expect its MicroSoft. All they do is change the GUI, and their coders end up meddling things up cause they dont know what they are doing.
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I was trying out Vista x64, had the nvidia drivers installed and all, the OpenGL was awesome for games. I was playing tremulous and the hud area let me see through walls!
<3 glitches in beta software
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Built-in wallhacks? I guess they do need to provide some incentive for people to use it.
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Haha, it wasn't all good like that though, not having a health or ammo display was a real pain.